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For those of you who are involved in shooting sports I have a question. A lot of you know my attitude about carrying a jump kit in POVs and stopping to help when off duty (Hate it and I don't ever do it), but I had something happen on my last trip to ABQ that is making me semi reconsider part of my stance.
Do any of you shooters carry a shooting FAK? Something like hemostatic agents or a TQ? I went shooting this weekend when I went home (range is almost 45 minutes away from the nearest FD/EMS first response agency. In fact it's closer to an airport with HEMS than to any ground transpo), and I saw someone manage to shoot themself in hte thigh (boogerhook off the bangswitch when off the line!). Now since I A) wasn't in my own vehicle (which has the remnants of my offroad kit [gauze, tape, kerlix] and B) was feeling particularly lazy, I didn't help. But a couple of the other shooters had 'blowout kit' that had an Israeli dressing and some Kerlix that they used to stop the bleeding until the HEMS service showed up [911 dispatched them as first response].
Since I am heavily involved in shooting things, and usually in places that are very very far away from people [I hate people] I am tempted to add a TQ, Israeli dressing, and some Kerlix into my range bag. Do any of you have something similar?
 
jtpaintball70 said:
Since I am heavily involved in shooting things, and usually in places that are very very far away from people [I hate people] I am tempted to add a TQ, Israeli dressing, and some Kerlix into my range bag. Do any of you have something similar?
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It would be the same as if you were going camping and taking a small kit or to your kid's soccer game and bringing an ice pack or two and some bandaids.
 
Not that I'm an enthusiast, but the point of carrying that stuff with you is because you're there first, right? So if you're walking into a place full of guns out of the way of quick response, why not?
I would say good idea, but I also stop and help. Lol. Curious, why are you against that?
 
jtpaintball70 said:
For those of you who are involved in shooting sports I have a question. A lot of you know my attitude about carrying a jump kit in POVs and stopping to help when off duty (Hate it and I don't ever do it), but I had something happen on my last trip to ABQ that is making me semi reconsider part of my stance.
Do any of you shooters carry a shooting FAK? Something like hemostatic agents or a TQ? I went shooting this weekend when I went home (range is almost 45 minutes away from the nearest FD/EMS first response agency. In fact it's closer to an airport with HEMS than to any ground transpo), and I saw someone manage to shoot themself in hte thigh (boogerhook off the bangswitch when off the line!). Now since I A) wasn't in my own vehicle (which has the remnants of my offroad kit [gauze, tape, kerlix] and B) was feeling particularly lazy, I didn't help. But a couple of the other shooters had 'blowout kit' that had an Israeli dressing and some Kerlix that they used to stop the bleeding until the HEMS service showed up [911 dispatched them as first response].
Since I am heavily involved in shooting things, and usually in places that are very very far away from people [I hate people] I am tempted to add a TQ, Israeli dressing, and some Kerlix into my range bag. Do any of you have something similar?
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Have nothing personal, but the local range I go to keeps a "first aid" kit, which has all kinds of stuff. But we are only about 8 minutes away from an ambulance that brings a doctor.

I don't usually advocate carrying stuff. But if you are doing something far far away from civilization, you should probably have something basic. I think what you described would be good.
 
The range I go to is about 6-10 minutes from the closest ambulance. They do have a FAK, and it's supposedly slightly better stocked than a typical industrial FAK. Since a good proportion of the shooters there are elderly, they also got some AED units that are kept in the office and a couple that can be checked out for use at some of the more distant ranges.

I would suggest to the OP that he carry some additional kerlix, pressure bandage, adhesive valve device for chest wounds, and perhaps a TK or two. That's IF he goes to a range that's out of the way that has a FAK that's inadequate, is unstaffed, or is spread out in size.
 
Besides the first aid kit in my car, nope. I honestly don't know what the range offices (shotgun and pistol/rifle ranges have seperate proshops).
 
JPINFV said:
Besides the first aid kit in my car, nope. I honestly don't know what the range offices (shotgun and pistol/rifle ranges have seperate proshops).
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If I went to ranges that had a shop attached I'd probably think that way :) The ranges I frequent tend to be uncontrolled, or just BLM land.
 
Yea, BLM/uncontrolled ranges? Ehh... I could see that as a good reason to indulge the inner wacker.
 
Thigh injury says Serpa strikes again.

Anyway, yeah, I've seen it happen and now carry a small, very basic kit..gloves, Israeli, TQ, in a small pouch, on the line with me. I could care less about whacker designation, either way.

Ambulance response time was >15 minutes last time..rural area.
 
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Mzcr said:
Thigh injury says Serpa strikes again.

Anyway, yeah, I've seen it happen and now carry a small, very basic kit..gloves, Israeli, TQ, in a small pouch, on the line with me. I could care less about whacker designation, either way.

Ambulance response time was >15 minutes last time..rural area.
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Heh, no just the guy being an idiot. As for Serpa... I OCd my Delta Elite in a paddle Serpa when I was living in NM and never had any problems drawing it safely... The ones I've seen taht scare me have no idea how to safely handle a firearm anyway
 
I carry a shooter kit every time I go to practice in the boonies or to a competition (3-gun, IDPA, and long range tactical). Last 3-gun we had an experienced shooter put a 9mm thru his foot. Accidents happen. 3-gun moves so fast and furious it can sometimes be an accident waiting for a place to happen with inexperienced shooters. And when we practice it's Big Boy Rules. Things happen. I carry hemostatics, tourniquets, an NPA, a chest seal, and all sorts of stuff. I've learned how to use all of it properly from those who know, and I'd use any of it in a heartbeat in a worst case scenario. If that's 'whacker' then so be it. I are uh whacker. :D
 
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This isn't a bad idea. My uncles, cousins, and I go up north and shoot. This would be nice to have in case .... hits the fan.

Side note: I just picked up my first pistol the other day. A Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W.

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Mzcr said:
Thigh injury says Serpa strikes again.

Anyway, yeah, I've seen it happen and now carry a small, very basic kit..gloves, Israeli, TQ, in a small pouch, on the line with me. I could care less about whacker designation, either way.

Ambulance response time was >15 minutes last time..rural area.
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Nope. Booger hook on bang switch was described as the cause. While holstering, leaving your finger on the trigger can quite efficiently cause a discharge... and it won't matter what brand the holster is.
 
A Sig P229 in .40 S&W is a pretty decent pistol. Plus, change the barrel and now it's a .357 Sig and do it again and it's a 9mm. You might see some problems with the 9mm rechambering. I wouldn't use it for carry, just practice on the cheap. It would also be good for practicing malfunction drills. When done, just replace the barrel and you're good to go!

I was VERY close to buying one myself. Nice gun.
 
Yep..but I've never seen anyone shoot themselves while unholstering in a Raven or Bladetech, either, nor have I seen anyone get a gun stuck in another commercially made holster. There have been a number of injuries, all exactly the same, done in training exercises. I've seen it happen, personally.

If you want to use one, use it. But I won't recommend them, especially to shooters with very limited training or experience drawing a weapon.

This argument has been played out, over and over, and neither side ever seems to convince the other.

So..what do you think about kits on the range?
 
Mzcr said:
Yep..but I've never seen anyone shoot themselves while unholstering in a Raven or Bladetech, either, nor have I seen anyone get a gun stuck in another commercially made holster. There have been a number of injuries, all exactly the same, done in training exercises. I've seen it happen, personally.

If you want to use one, use it. But I won't recommend them, especially to shooters with very limited training or experience drawing a weapon.

This argument has been played out, over and over, and neither side ever seems to convince the other.

So..what do you think about kits on the range?
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I think they're a great idea. As long as you can keep people from raiding them...
 
HotelCo said:
What'd you pick up instead?
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I bought a Glock 23. I don't regret my decision, actually. My combat tupperware has served me quite well. I was no less accurate with it and it was about $300 cheaper. I've since acquired a 1911A-1. One day, I'll go get a P229 and I'll still keep my combat tupperware.
 
I've had a P6 and a P232 and Sigs are solid, well-built guns. I'm not crazy enough about the SA/DA to use them but if it works for you, you made a good decision.
 
Akulahawk said:
I bought a Glock 23. I don't regret my decision, actually. My combat tupperware has served me quite well. I was no less accurate with it and it was about $300 cheaper. I've since acquired a 1911A-1. One day, I'll go get a P229 and I'll still keep my combat tupperware.
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Especially with the Homeland security discount :D want to pick up a G20 soon with barrels for .40 and .357SIG
 
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