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Thanks for the audio.

I fear what the final death toll will be. Reports state 50+ had been shot- with AR .223, .40 calbire bullets + 12 gauge shotgun used- the trauma services + opearating rooms must have been overwhelmed
 
All responders deserve a ton of credit in this incident and I may get lynched for saying it but the Incident Commander and Dispatcher definitely deserve a lot of credit to stay as calm as they did.

I would like to hear what was on the other tac channels they were using, an incident that size wont only be using one channel.
 
NVRob said:
All responders deserve a ton of credit in this incident and I may get lynched for saying it but the Incident Commander and Dispatcher definitely deserve a lot of credit to stay as calm as they did.

I would like to hear what was on the other tac channels they were using, an incident that size wont only be using one channel.
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Me too. Although the majority of the traffic seemed to occur on this channel between dispatch and command. Right after tones go off and the dispatch you can hear her mention a Tac 3 channel.
 
rwik123 said:
Me too. Although the majority of the traffic seemed to occur on this channel between dispatch and command. Right after tones go off and the dispatch you can hear her mention a Tac 3 channel.
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I heard that as well. Generally, in my experience at least, the first tac channel will be for communications between IC, dispatch and divisions then further channels will be issued to divisions if they are required.

I hate to sound like I'm monday morning quarterbacking but I never heard a staging division command established. They established a staging area but I never heard an actual division command established for it.

All in all they did fantastic with what they were dealing with, I've never been involved in a MCI of this magnitude outside of extensive drills and couldn't imagine how hectic the real thing would be. Even drills get crazy at times. I know the long blank spots are usually cut out of these recordings, I wonder what the total time from establishing IC to transport of the last patient was.

Edit: at 22:40 the IC requests a Transport division command to be set up at the staging area.
 
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rwik123 said:
Me too. Although the majority of the traffic seemed to occur on this channel between dispatch and command. Right after tones go off and the dispatch you can hear her mention a Tac 3 channel.
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In Aurora it is standard for all incident traffic to go on a tac channel, typically tac 2. When there are large MCI's or fires tac 3 or tac 4 or some other tac channel is used.
When there are large numbers of ambulances responding to an incident, the Denver Metro area has these regional channels. The one in Denver is Green 1, I'm not sure if it was used or not (I thankfully wasn't there).
 
Anyone else notice the ambulance that said, to the effect, "I have a green patient, shot in the leg, stable, we're transporting"? The original IC should have said "Hell no, bring them to triage" instead of letting them transport. It was already a known MCI, it was already known that there were multiple red... you don't need to be transporting a green as quickly as they did.


The first on engine (E8) IC failed as he clearly dropped the ball and the Chief coming on scene later had some catching up to do to set up a decent response (which the chief, and not the original IC, did quite well)
 
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Linuss said:
Anyone else notice the ambulance that said, to the effect, "I have a green patient, shot in the leg, stable, we're transporting"? The original IC should have said "Hell no, bring them to triage" instead of letting them transport. It was already a known MCI, it was already known that there were multiple red... you don't need to be transporting a green as quickly as they did.


The first on engine (E8) IC failed as he clearly dropped the ball and the Chief coming on scene later had some catching up to do to set up a decent response (which the chief, and not the original IC, did quite well)
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Yeah I noticed that too. It seemed as if a lot of ambulances were finding patients and then transporting totally by-passing any kind of treatment areas.

They had police coming out of the theater every which way with patients and then requesting ambulances to respond to that location so they were everywhere.
 
Aurora, CO dispatch audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRNEHSZkYc&feature=player_embedded


Clearly this was an unimaginable situation for police, fire and ems. Listening to the 30 minutes of dispatch I'm amazed by how well it was handled. Imagine being incident commander and being begged for ambulances at all corners of the locations, ambulances taking everyone they can find. Cops fed up with waiting and transporting themselves. They only thing I can crtitque is that Denver metro could have been dispatched quicker as 10-20 victims were estimated.

Just wondering what this communities thoughts are.
 
I haven't listened to much of the audio, just what was going on live about two hours after the event happened, so maybe some of you who have can help me out.

Was their a triage area or areas set up?

I, too, heard police asking for ambulances to respond to different locations. Did any of them ask where the triage areas were?
 
BigBad said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRNEHSZkYc&feature=player_embedded


Clearly this was an unimaginable situation for police, fire and ems. Listening to the 30 minutes of dispatch I'm amazed by how well it was handled. Imagine being incident commander and being begged for ambulances at all corners of the locations, ambulances taking everyone they can find. Cops fed up with waiting and transporting themselves. They only thing I can crtitque is that Denver metro could have been dispatched quicker as 10-20 victims were estimated.

Just wondering what this communities thoughts are.
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Mutual threads merged.
 
Chimpie said:
I haven't listened to much of the audio, just what was going on live about two hours after the event happened, so maybe some of you who have can help me out.

Was their a triage area or areas set up?

I, too, heard police asking for ambulances to respond to different locations. Did any of them ask where the triage areas were?
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From what it sounded like, kinda. They had 3 main areas for responders. The patients were kind of being brought to the areas. It seemed as if most of the patients were being transported from just anywhere.

The IC (in the later part of the incident) called for each main area to assign a treatment are within their zone but that was the last I heard of it.

The IC did a pretty good job for what he was handed. It almost seemed as if he needed to delegate out more positions.

The scene was mostly "IC we have 3 red patients at the back of the theater". Then a couple minutes later "medic 109 transporting emergent with 3 patients and 3 fire riders".
 
Chimpie said:
I haven't listened to much of the audio, just what was going on live about two hours after the event happened, so maybe some of you who have can help me out.

Was their a triage area or areas set up?

I, too, heard police asking for ambulances to respond to different locations. Did any of them ask where the triage areas were?
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At one point, police created a staging location. Then, as they realized the incident was more spread out, requested ambulances at some other locations.

Police were told were the triage locations were, but they kept emphasizing that they were unable to get the victims to those locations, and needed EMS to their specific locations (inside the theater, Dillon's, right in front of theater 9, etc), but it didn't seem like the IC wanted to send them in.
 
firefite said:
The IC did a pretty good job for what he was handed. It almost seemed as if he needed to delegate out more positions.

The scene was mostly "IC we have 3 red patients at the back of the theater". Then a couple minutes later "medic 109 transporting emergent with 3 patients and 3 fire riders".
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If we're critiquing this for learning purposes....it seems there was a lot of emphasis on setting up the whole ICS thing, but not enough hands-on helping the victims.

At least initially, it didn't seem like each division had enough personnel to be forming the 3 to 4 positions (triage, litter bearer, treatment officer, transport officer, etc)? If you already have all your patients in one area (example: outside of Dillon's), bring in the ambulance, hand them a couple patients, and off they go. Less than a minute on-scene. Call the next ambulance. Transport.
 
AnthonyM83 said:
If we're critiquing this for learning purposes....it seems there was a lot of emphasis on setting up the whole ICS thing, but not enough hands-on helping the victims.
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Any type of structured protocol like ICS is only as good as the participant's ability to adapt it to the situation. Sometimes in extremely large and complex situations such as this, the time and effort needed to efficiently implement the system to its full degree is outweighed by the immediate needs to treat patients.

Anyone running an ICS needs to be willing to adapt and be creative in implementing the system and adapting it to a unique situation. Not everyone is good at that unfortunately.

Speaking in general terms of course. I by far don't have enough information to critique this specific incident responsibly.
 
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