Girlfriend was never tested for COVID when she was sick back in March with none of the major Covid symptoms. Her hospital offered it back in November and was found to have the antibodies.Quick question. Did either of you get antibody titers for COVID?
If not, why not? If so, were they negative?
Neither do mistakes or unknowns in the vaccine creation process. But you're free to continue believing that having a healthy dose of skepticism is the same as death, just as the skeptics are free to continue believing that blind acceptance of a new vaccine may not be the best idea at the moment.My dear friend,
COVID does not discriminate
from skeptics and believers
you know what? I stand corrected. I was not aware that there was prior caselaw behind mandatory vaccinations (Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905 for anyone interested)Parasite....several articles say you are incorrect. I mean the precedents are already there for many health care employers and schools. It seems absolutely yes healthcare workers can be mandated and can be fired for refusing.
While there is legislative precedent for vaccine mandates, legal and public health expert Joanne Rosen says other strategies could help U.S. states achieve widespread vaccination for COVID-19hub.jhu.edu
Can the government or your employer make the COVID-19 vaccine compulsory?www.today.com
Employers could require their workers to get vaccinated against COVID-19 via both workplace policies and existing laws. Neither option, however, is simple or straightforward.theconversation.com
These were all short and easy reads...
It’s a different story for orders issued by states, cities or businesses, but even then, mandatory vaccination wouldn’t be forced vaccination.
“Nobody's talking about coming to your house, holding you down and vaccinating you,” Dorit Reiss, a law professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco, told TODAY.
Refusing to follow a mandate could mean a fine, tax or other penalty, said Reiss, who studies legal and policy issues related to vaccines.
I did not read the study, and am faaaar from qualified to interpret it objectively. I'm assuming you are though, as are a couple of people on this site who are smarter than me and faaaaaar more educated. I will gladly differ to your expertise on what you think of the study.And did you actually read any of that? Do you really know how to interpret it objectively? I didn't think so. Either does the vast majority of the population. People are left to trust the authorities, which a growing percentage of the population is finding harder and harder to do. It isn't as if health authorities have never been wrong, and prestigious medical journals have never hid the truth in order to forward an agenda. You can believe what you are told by those in charge if you want, and that's fine. If you are being completely honest though, you'll admit that your biases are where all of your confidence comes from, not from any actual analysis or understanding of the data. Some others see things differently, and admit that they don't know what it all means and choose not to blindly trust those who say "it's all good - just trust us". And their choice is no less rational than yours - perhaps it is more so.
No arguments there. I still say for the majority of the US, the virus isn't the doomsday pandemic that CNN is saying it is. Is it a virus? yes. does it suck and will you get sick? yep. will people die? as they always do, some people do die from pathogens. Are certain populations more susceptible? definitely. Has the left (and their media allies) been making it out to be the president's faults, to hurt him during his re-election attempt? absolutely. And there right wing idiots who think it's all a conspiracy? I'm sure.Coronavirus has been heavily politicized from day one. Don't forget the massive screwups by CDC and FDA very early on, and the repeated mistakes, miscalculations, outright lies, and politically motivated manipulations from all levels of government since then. Don't forget that the spread and toll of this thing has been repeatedly blamed on the skeptics and never on those who purport to have the power to effect it's course (but somehow aren't able to), or on the nature of the virus itself. To think that none of that could possibly have had any influence on the vaccine and related recommendations is completely absurd.
Also if you read the vaccine fact sheet for the EUA that is required to be given to all who receive the shot, it says that it is voluntary. Vaccines via an EUA cannot be manditory per the FDA.
On another note, it has been three hours and my arm still feels fine! And no webbed feet.
Which 'experimental' medications are being used on humans for the first time?If you as an individual are willing to accept Covid treatment with any of the experimental medications, then I have no clue why the same individuals would not get the vaccine. Blows my mind.
I’m getting mine tomorrow, all while a family member is admitted due to Covid. It hurts.
I'm glad you found that! I've been looking for something like that for a while. I think employers would have a hard time, in this specific case, mandating the vaccine when masks have shown to be effective alternatives to a vaccine. (As section III talks about). But I'm no lawyer so what do I know.This article with my limited legal awareness seems to indicate it could go either way, it just has not been really tried...yet.
Can private businesses mandate that employees and customers receive COVID-19 vaccines authorized for emergency use?blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu
Interesting thought exercises though...
There are many examples of very successful and credible independent, non-governmental accrediting agencies in various fields, as well as many examples of when governmental agencies which supposedly "have everyone's bests interest's in mind" (lol) failed miserably and in some cases repeatedly, because they face essentially no consequences, unlike a private entity..So if they do not agree with NO regulation, they only disagree if regulation should be by the Feds....then who else is there? Which "independent" regulatory body would ultimately have everyone's best interests in mind? Just curious...if not the Fed Govt, then who? Careful, you may find yourself falling into the rabbit hole of conspiracies.
So every time a pharm corporation has ever launched an unsuccessful product they went out of business shortly thereafter because no one would ever again buy their other products - even the ones that had already been profitably on the market long before the failure - simply because they lacked credibility? Investors never fund the development of products that promise returns just because not everything the company brought to market in the past worked out? Aren't there something like 13 different companies seeking approval for essentially the same COVID vaccine? Are you saying that we will completely lose a huge chunk of our pharm industry because all of those companies will have to shut down if time proves that the efficacy is not what we really need it to be or some long-term negative effects are found that dissuade people from taking the vaccine?Yes, professional credibility. As any product of theirs would be considered non-trustworthy going forward if they put out a vaccine that was absolute shyte. Did I really need to explain this to you?