the 100% directionless thread

[katgrl2003]

I see people frustrated with the disparity of wealth in the United States...

Why don't they go to college, get a degree, and get a better paying job? It's not that hard to improve yourself. One of my best friends is living with her parents and they are below the poverty line. She received grants/took out student loans to go to school and is almost done. Once she graduates and pays off the loans, she will be pulling in a salary that will place her in the upper middle class. All it took was willingness to study and hard work, something that I see missing in a lot of people these days.

 

[JPINFV]

Why don't they go to college, get a degree, and get a better paying job?

Um, the recent video was taken at the University of California, Davis.

 

[silver]

The problem is they're not putting forth any message besides "capitalism is bad and evil"...while using cell phones made by Apple and Motorola serviced by Sprint and AT&T, wearing Abercrombie and North Face, living in tents they bought at REI...the whole thing is just massively hypocritical.

There is no leader at all. Look at every other "movement" in US history, they had voices.

And to clarify, REI is considered a cooperative that is owned by its members (myself being a member haha).

 

[Shishkabob]

Whining and moaning accomplishes nothing except piss the general public off who you otherwise want on your side. Action is what's needed... and doing riots / sit-ins / protests are NOT action.

Guess what? I'm not happy about the bailouts either. You know what I'm doing? Not voting for the :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored:s who backed that plan in the federal government, and not banking at the institutions that were irresponsible with the money.


But you know where some blame lays that no one wants to put it? The idiots who took out the loans for the homes they couldn't afford in the first place, regardless of what the banks told them. Sorry, if you make $35k a year, you're an imbecile if you think you can buy a $500,000 house with $0 down.




What SHOULD happen, but never will, is placing the blame on the loaners AND loanees. If someone gets forclosed on, and it's found that the bank made a huge mistake in loaning to them, the bank should lose the property too, and it should be forfeited to another entity, such as Habitat for Humanity.

 

[silver]

Why don't they go to college, get a degree, and get a better paying job? It's not that hard to improve yourself. One of my best friends is living with her parents and they are below the poverty line. She received grants/took out student loans to go to school and is almost done. Once she graduates and pays off the loans, she will be pulling in a salary that will place her in the upper middle class. All it took was willingness to study and hard work, something that I see missing in a lot of people these days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/business/economy/19grads.html

"Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply in the last two years, as have starting salaries for those who can find work."

This article is a testament that the current economic conditions go beyond people just being lazy.

 

[silver]

Whining and moaning accomplishes nothing except piss the general public off who you otherwise want on your side. Action is what's needed... and doing riots / sit-ins / protests are NOT action.

Not disagreeing or agreeing, but what do you define as action?

 

[Shishkabob]

Still, I find it hard to rationalize the police reaction and militarized response. I'm hoping that this doesn't become our generation's Kent State.

Except here's the thing you're missing:

Pepper spray, OC gas, rubber bullets, TASERs and the like aren't tools of punishment, they're tools of compliance.

If an officer gives you a legal order, and you fail to comply, they're more than within their rights, abilities, and legalities, to force you to comply by those methods.



Tasers and pepper spray are by far the most humane ways of forcing compliance on the non-complaint. If you want, they can go around and hit everyone in the head with batons and go hands on?

 

[JPINFV]

Whining and moaning accomplishes nothing except piss the general public off who you otherwise want on your side. Action is what's needed... and doing riots / sit-ins / protests are NOT action.

Disagrees.

 

[Shishkabob]

Not disagreeing or agreeing, but what do you define as action?

Voting for those who you agree with. If you don't agree with what a senator voted for, don't vote for them, get them out of office.

Voting with your wallet. Don't agree with a businesses practice, don't use that business anymore. A large exodus was threatened towards BoA for their debit card fee, guess what happened? They changed their ways. Businesses love money, so if you want your way, keep the money from them.



I left BoA due to their practices. I'm now with USAA Bank... a bank that did NOT take bailout money. A bank whos practices I agree with.




Holding a sign and yelling at police accomplishes nothing but annoy the general public... which is why most of Americans do not support these protests.

 

[katgrl2003]

Um, the recent video was taken at the University of California, Davis.

I wasn't talking about just that video. I've heard plenty of other people with the same attitude that I work with :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: that they are poor and do nothing to improve themselves. They expect someone else to do the work, and they want all the benefits.

 

[usalsfyre]

hit everyone in the head with batons and go hands on?

Actually, I'd far prefer to see compliance holds used long before OC or tasers....

 

[Handsome Robb]

I think JP was one of the people that got OC sprayed and now he's angry.

Just sayin'...

 

[silver]

Voting for those who you agree with. If you don't agree with what a senator voted for, don't vote for them, get them out of office.

Voting with your wallet. Don't agree with a businesses practice, don't use that business anymore. A large exodus was threatened towards BoA for their debit card fee, guess what happened? They changed their ways. Businesses love money, so if you want your way, keep the money from them.



I left BoA due to their practices. I'm now with USAA Bank... a bank that did NOT take bailout money. A bank whos practices I agree with.




Holding a sign and yelling at police accomplishes nothing but annoy the general public... which is why most of Americans do not support these protests.

So what if you think the system is flawed?

 

[usalsfyre]

So what if you think the system is flawed?

Sitting on a sidewalk isn't going to much about that either...

 

[Shishkabob]

So what if you think the system is flawed?

I think so long as the human element exsists, there will be flaws.


I think if you want capitalism, you need to accept the fact that there will be rich and poor.

 

[usafmedic45]

Disagrees.

Like I said before, apples and oranges. The monks who immolated themselves had a clear message that war was not an option. The Occupy movement simply has a bunch of lazy bums who want the world handed to them. This is a product more of the societal norm of sheltering kids, teaching them that everyone wins, etc. The limp-wristed way the generation immediately following my own was raised (and the later section of my own generation) is finally coming back to bite us firmly on the butt.

"Teach a man to start a fire and he will be warm for the night; light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." :lol:

 

[usafmedic45]

I think JP was one of the people that got OC sprayed and now he's angry.

Just sayin'...

That thought crossed my mind as well but I didn't want to say it.

 

[usafmedic45]

Yeah, the higher risk of serious injury is totally acceptable. Personally, I think using deadly force against the more bellicose in the crowd would be the best way to nip this in the bud. I've seen footage of some of these kids being outwardly violent. Put a few of them six feet under and put the rest of them in their place.

 

[usalsfyre]

I think if you want capitalism, you need to accept the fact that there will be rich and poor.

I think the point is these jokers don't want capitalism.

I also think anyone who believes true socialism can work not only ignores history but human nature as well...

 

[JPINFV]

I think JP was one of the people that got OC sprayed and now he's angry.

Just sayin'...

I'm no where near Davis.