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ok so hear is the qusten.

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a brocken arm at a friend house do you give treatment under implied consent or frist try and call the parent of the 10 year old ?
 
dougallen said:
ok so hear is the qusten.
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The what?

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a brocken arm
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Do you mean broken?

at a friend house do you give treatment under implied consent or frist try and call the parent of the 10 year old ?
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Frist? You mean first?
 
ok sorry about that

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a broken arm at a friend house. do you give treatment under implied consent or first try and call the parent of the 10 year old befor starting treatment?
 
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dougallen said:
ok sorry about that

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a broken arm at a friend house do you give treatment under implied consent or first try and call the parent of the 10 year old
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Not a single punctuation mark. Not a comma, period or question mark. I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to write.
 
Instead of just giving you the answer, let's see if we can't get you to think it through.

You show up to the same scene, but instead of a broken arm, the kid is wheezing, cyanotic, and in obvious respiratory distress. Do you try to call mom and dad before administering treatment? What if the kid is CPR status?

Now take that back to the other end of the spectrum, the kid has a 1cm laceration on his finger, with mild hemorrhaging. Do you bandage it or fart around trying to call the parents?
 
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adamjh3 said:
Instead of just giving you the answer, let's see if we can't get you to think it through.

You show up to the same scene, but instead of a broken arm, the kid is wheezing, cyanotic, and in obvious respiratory distress. Do you try to call mom and dad before administering treatment? What if the kid is CPR status?

Now take that back to the other end of the spectrum, the kid has a 1cm laceration on his finger, with mild hemorrhaging. Do you bandage it or fart around trying to call the parents?
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(You show up to the same scene, but instead of a broken arm, the kid is wheezing, cyanotic, and in obvious respiratory distress. Do you try to call mom and dad before administering a breathing treatment? What if the kid is CPR status?)

in that case it would be implied consent becuse of life threatening injury.

but in the case of broken arm which is not life threatening i would say call the parent and stay on scen
 
dougallen said:
(You show up to the same scene, but instead of a broken arm, the kid is wheezing, cyanotic, and in obvious respiratory distress. Do you try to call mom and dad before administering a breathing treatment? What if the kid is CPR status?)

in that case it would be implied consent becuse of life threatening injury.

but in the case of broken arm which is not life threatening i would say call the parent and stay on scen
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What if you can't get a hold of the parent?
 
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That's reasonable. The tricky part with questions like this is there is no cut and dry solution for every situation.

Textbooks will have you treat under implied consent regardless of the situation.

Remember, you're there to help. If you're standing around with your thumb up your *** while someone tries to call the kids parents, how will that be perceived by the public?

My experience has put me in a place where minor issues (bumps, bruises, lacs, etc) and critical issues (seizures, arrests, etc) I will treat and release or treat and transport.

When we get to the middle ground where the kid should probably go to the hospital, but not RTFN, I will do what I can to stabilize the patient, and then make every effort to get in contact with the parents. I don't want to dump a huge ambulance/ER bill on a family that can't afford it when there are other options available.
 
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Are you in EMT school in the US?

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OP, Doug, with all due respect, if you'd like to be treated with any respect here, but especially in the real world, you need to learn how to capitalize, punctuate and spell your sentences correctly. I'm sorry, your posts are simply unreadable otherwise. If you have a query, please, please, form it into a full sentence.

We're happy to answer questions or explain concepts, but please give us the respect to form full sentences.
 
Let fire do their thing while you contact a parent. Or if there's no fire guys around have your partner work on the whippersnapper while you call a parent. There's no reason to sit around while a child is in pain, if it's that bad talk to the responsible adult on scene.
 
adamjh3 said:
You show up to the same scene, but instead of a broken arm, the kid is wheezing, cyanotic, and in obvious respiratory distress. Do you try to call mom and dad before administering treatment? What if the kid is CPR status?
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Potentially life saving moves are different from palliative care.


Kid will get a simple splint/ice/etc, basic medical care, until contact is made with guardian. If no guardian can be contacted, PD acts in their place.
 
Linuss said:
Potentially life saving moves are different from palliative care.


Kid will get a simple splint/ice/etc, basic medical care, until contact is made with guardian. If no guardian can be contacted, PD acts in their place.
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That's kind of what I'm getting at. Regardless of if you're doing CPR or applying a splint you're still treating under implied consent.

I'm lucky that if I can't get a hold of a parent at my job there's almost always signed forms that give coaches the right to consent to treatment/transport in loco parentis

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dougallen said:
ok so hear is the qusten.

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a brocken arm at a friend house do you give treatment under implied consent or frist try and call the parent of the 10 year old ?
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What??


If you "show up" to a friends house on a call as a employed EMT working in an EMS system, will do what you are trained and certified to do under your local protocol. If you "show up" to a friends house in any other capacity, then render first aid and call EMS.

As for the consent issue, you will treat the child until such a time you can get a hold of the parents.
 
dougallen said:
ok so hear is the qusten.

you show up to a call where ther is a 10 year old kid with a brocken arm at a friend house do you give treatment under implied consent or frist try and call the parent of the 10 year old ?
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This sentence reminds me of the English spies on 'Allo 'Allo.
 
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