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Hello, I have just finished up a degree in criminal justice but have found out that there is a big probability that my expunged juvenile record is going to stop me from a career in law enforcement. My next option is going through school to become an EMT or something in this field. I was wondering if anyone can give me some information about getting into this field of work? Also will a juvenile record keep me from pursuing a career in this field?
 
South Texas said:
Hello, I have just finished up a degree in criminal justice but have found out that there is a big probability that my expunged juvenile record is going to stop me from a career in law enforcement. My next option is going through school to become an EMT or something in this field. I was wondering if anyone can give me some information about getting into this field of work? Also will a juvenile record keep me from pursuing a career in this field?
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Recheck your sources, juvenile record is sealed upon expungement, they cannot use it against you. The only crimes that go on to follow you are class A and B felonies (Rape, murder, molestation, etc).

If an agency refuses to hire you on the grounds of a juvenile expunged charge, they have illegally accessed your file to see it as that record is to be sealed on your 18th birthday. At that time, you would seek a lawyer to sue their asses and have them formally charged.
 
"is fingerprinted and is subjected to a search of local, state and U.S. national records and fingerprint files to disclose any criminal record." Other than that. Any advice for your field? Are you happy with your job, feelings toward the job?
 
South Texas said:
"is fingerprinted and is subjected to a search of local, state and U.S. national records and fingerprint files to disclose any criminal record." Other than that. Any advice for your field? Are you happy with your job, feelings toward the job?
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Expunged doesn't count under that. When something is expunged, it no longer exists, you are under no obligation to mention it. The record is sealed.
 
This is a direct quote from the guys with the state. "Expunged or not, you're going to have to disclose it anyway during the application process. The polygraph machine doesn't appreciate the nuances of expunction."
 
South Texas said:
This is a direct quote from the guys with the state. "Expunged or not, you're going to have to disclose it anyway during the application process. The polygraph machine doesn't appreciate the nuances of expunction."
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It does if you put a tack under your foot. Moreover, polygraphs aren't admissable anyways. If it is expunged, it no longer exists as far as the state is concerned.
 
Police can access expunged records. The can view them and disqualify you permanently because of what the crime was, even if it was expunged. Also if you lie, you will never ever have a chance at becoming a police officer. Messing with the polygraph isn’t the best idea. Yea, they aren’t able to be used in court but some police departments still use them for hiring. What I have learned so far it’s mostly used as an investigative tool and to get people to give up information they lied about.
 
Discuss this with the recruiter of the department you want to work in (hiring standards for law enforcement agencies differ). Every agency I know of uses polygraphs in their hiring process.

Getting started in EMS starts with simply finding and taking an EMT-B class. An expunged record will not stop you in EMS, as they can't access those records "legally" for hiring purposes.

If you want to go into Fire services, talk to your local fire folks for guidance.
 
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Polygraphs are way too overhyped FWIW, the 98-99% accuracy BS that examination agencies boast about is not ANYWHERE near reality. It is a shame that they are still used at all.
 
281mustang said:
Polygraphs are way too overhyped FWIW, the 98-99% accuracy BS that examination agencies boast about is not ANYWHERE near reality. It is a shame that they are still used at all.
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Seconded! Polygraphs are a joke. The only thing they test for is your ability to stay somewhat calm. I know guys that have lied their asses off and passed, and others who have told the truth but failed because they were too nervous. All the polygraph is is a game.
 
When you apply for most LEO jobs, their is a boiler plate release where you allow access to any record of you and interview of anyone who knows you.

You also relelase any individual and any organization from liability for co-operating.

That being said, you still might have a case for discrimination.

Be aware, most lawyers would not take such a case on contingency and would charge around $300/hour.

MEANING: It is not so much what THEY do to you, its what YOU are able to do about it.

Good luck with your job search.
 
Let's take a step back here.

An interview and/or polygraph for a law enforcement position is not just about finding out what you've been found guilty for, but whether you are honest about it.

As mentioned above, start visiting the departments you'd like to work for, talking to the recruitment department, be straight up with your history if they ask, and let them tell you if it's going to be a problem or not.

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To the OP, they can not fault you for trying. Go through the process. Comply with everything asked of you and see what happens.

Because of yur record, and the tight job market, have a b,c,d,e,f,g and so on plan.
 
Polys are a joke. Best of luck to the OP. I've heard about some fire departments begining to use them as well?
 
From another website, ostensibly posted by a police sergeant:
Of course they can consider your actions at the age of 16 when evaluating your suitability for a position as a police officer. If your record was not a felony and has been expunged, then it is not an automatic bar to employment. However FAILURE to disclose this information during the background phase may result in your disqualification. A decent background WILL find out about the incident even if it has been expunged.
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Please note that this is not legal advice, and per the forum rules I would suggest we stop offering opinions and ideas which border on such.

Please do not joke around about 'tricking' or trying to game a poly. Most of the techs who administer these exams are not very fond of that and doing so will almost certainly disqualify you from whatever you are trying to do. Without going into specifics, there are numerous sensors attached to you and unless the tech is completely green, they can reliably spot any of the classic 'tricks'.

On a personal note, I tend to agree with those who have a problem with the polygraph's use. I currently hold a fairly high-level government clearance (one that required a poly). A few years ago I got through all the interviews and was offered a job as an FBI agent. I made it through everything and then failed the poly, which was for a lesser clearance than the one I already have :glare:
 
dixie_flatline said:
From another website, ostensibly posted by a police sergeant:

Please note that this is not legal advice, and per the forum rules I would suggest we stop offering opinions and ideas which border on such.

Please do not joke around about 'tricking' or trying to game a poly. Most of the techs who administer these exams are not very fond of that and doing so will almost certainly disqualify you from whatever you are trying to do. Without going into specifics, there are numerous sensors attached to you and unless the tech is completely green, they can reliably spot any of the classic 'tricks'.

On a personal note, I tend to agree with those who have a problem with the polygraph's use. I currently hold a fairly high-level government clearance (one that required a poly). A few years ago I got through all the interviews and was offered a job as an FBI agent. I made it through everything and then failed the poly, which was for a lesser clearance than the one I already have :glare:
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There are many different variables involved in a poly, until everyone uniformly responds the same to questions during high stress situations it is not as cut and dry as just being able to "spot a trick." A calm liar will do better than someone nervous and honest.

It's all a mind game designed to make you feel stressed for lying to the examiner, the more you know about it the easier it is to skate through all the imaginary fluff they try to create.
 
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