just because you only need HS education to go into the EMS doesnt mean we dont have an important job...
Hmm .... I am yet to see some evidence that EMS has a positive impact on M&M outside some cardiac arrest saves.
Seriosuly.
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just because you only need HS education to go into the EMS doesnt mean we dont have an important job...
Hmm .... I am yet to see some evidence that EMS has a positive impact on M&M outside some cardiac arrest saves.
Seriosuly.
Garbage men have an important job and, on balance, save more lives every year than EMS does. Should guidance councilors start recommending people to be garbage men?
I feel that paramedics belong in the emergency rooms AND ambulances above plain RN's (no offense to the highly trained critical care nurses on this EMS forum.) I would rather have a highly trained competent paramedic at my side than a new RN. Paramedics should be equivalent to the RN position, not under it! :wacko:
I dont know why everyone is getting mad over this.
We still need all those hard working blue collar workers that keep this country going. You have people that look down on a votech school, but that is what 70% of the people need. We need good plumbers, carpenters, garbage men, auto mechs and all the other supporting jobs that we need to keep this country alive. Most of these jobs pay more then what a college grad will earn.
If its any small consolation they don't get put down over here anyway.In hostile environments the guy who is EMT-I or higher and knows his business is considered one godlike mofo. Even sf respect the guys. You get to sit with the 'in crowd' of toughguys and mercenaries if you are a medic is what I am saying. Maybe not right in the middle, but you still got a seat nearby
The security companies all paying less now as the work is farmed out to 3rd world workers but still pay a premium for the western EMS guy on the team. Even with minimal military experience, or none in some cases.
They also serve as camp doc when required, handling consultations and dispensing whatever drugs stockpiled from some 'no prescription required pharmacy'. Funny how the engineers, scientist contractors and visiting CEO's gather the EMT into their social circle- when everyone is 300 miles from the nearest base hospital....
I know this may not help the current EMS situation in home countries but just giving you guys a well deserved boost![]()
[/U]I definitely understand what you're saying, but it doesn't reflect the realty of what I'm seeing in the public schools. Teaching in a wealthy neighborhood in one of the most progressive systems in the nation I teach classes of 30-35 students, with 15% of my student population having a diagnosed disability. Some have ADD, some can't spell their own name. Some of my students require direct one-on-one assistance to make it through the class..
At the end of every year we have meetings to discuss the student's four year plan, how the student will get through college and go on to the next step. I have high school students who are taking fourth grade math, and their parents are devastated when told that next year they will be taking Algebra. I have students who are still working on writing a sentence who will be required to take Composition/Lit next year. How are they going to go to college?
Not everyone needs to own the latest and greatest. As long as my students are productive and positive members of society I'm happy.
The problem that you're facing is that for many years EMS was unregulated and "scoop and go" based. Paramedics were truly seen as ambulance drivers trained in first aid. Of course that has changed over the years, but if you spend any time in EMS you'll find that most people don't recognize that.
Also, back when my parents went to school people recognized that you could be a hard working and productive member of society with a high school education and vocational school. You could provide a good life for your family as an hourly worker with a technical job.
Today there is a big push to send everyone to college. In fact the school I teach at doesn't even recognize that some students may not go to college. You should see the looks on the kids and parent's faces when they find out that the kid will have to take college-track classes with less than a 40 IQ. I have special education students in my classes who can't tell time, open their locker, or write a sentence, who are expected to take Algebra, Geometry, etc.
It's a sign of the times.
but dog-gone, society treated little Johnny "just like everyone else."
You have identified the problem.
But it is not limited to schools. Look at most medical protocols. "This works for 90% of all patients." (So what do you do for the other 10%?)
The answer: try to make them fit the protocol or just do the protocol when it doesn't help.
Recently with a family member in the US I noticed that all of the "mid level providers" we encountered were just protocol monkies. They simply couldn't understand that when you lose part of the skin on your legs it is an injury similar to a burn. When you have a person with 18% BSI of exposed dermis, a percocet every 6-8 hours simply won't do.
The best was the dietician. I won't go on anymore. I could write a book about it.
To sum up they all have college, probably shouldn't have ever gone, and can't think outside the protocol even though they are "masters level".
It is a parade of fools.
I agree with you on this, but from my experience working with the very poor for many years and seeing the income gap widen as well as conditions deteriorate, lower end salaries are not even providing basic housing and food and the conditions in homes are making the ability to break the poverty cycle near impossible.
My point is today in society, whether we like it or not, whether we agree or not (and for the record I do not agree) without at least 2 years of community college, we are basically assigning people to poverty, and all the negative things like smoking, drugs, crime, etc that come with it.
If we don't change something, we might as well start teaching car theft, drug smuggling, and burglary in schools in order to teach people the skills they will need.
I think school needs to teach people to be a value to society, but if the system is only teaching people to go to college, it completely fails the people who won't by not giving them what they need to be productive at a level of self sustainment.
I am not talking about no education. Tech schools offer most kids a chance at a good life. As where they may waste 4 years in college to come out the same they went in.
I do not know where you are seeing this change. Service trades are still going strong in this economy. I know plenty of plumbers and mechanics, that make more then most college educated people ever will. They live very comfortable and provide a good life for their families.
EMS is the same way. We allow anyone to enter, even if they are not cut out for the job. That is where we end up with the bad apples.
I see it all around. I know somebody who makes a living as a "handy man" after he was laid off from building houses (he is licensed and bonded in multiple trades) he tells me it is the same for everyone in his field. They go day to day hoping to get a call for some work. The competition so tight that he often takes jobs for pennies on the dollar and has seen his income slashed to 1/3 what it was. He has gone weeks with no jobs at all and has detailed how when most people call he is in an unspoken bidding war. They ask him how much and if he doesn't beat the previous quote on the first try he is hung up on.
The more people you have out of work in an area, the less everyone will accept just to have something. I am not suggesting a vocation is not education, but I am watching the delcine in value of such vocations. I also see a lot of people "doing it themselves" compared to before. How many people would spend a couple thousand dollars on paying for somebody to lay a hardwood floor when they can get the "snap together" floor at home depot for around $100.
Not to mention you don't have to worry about the contractor charging you for high quality lumber and then using low quality.
I am not advocating it, i don't think it is right, but it is what I see.