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Just because it's a common caliber does not make it a versatile one. One of the primary reasons 9mm and 556 are so common is the military surplus side of the equation. Both are good rounds for stopping two legged threats (primary purpose of military ammo), but they generally suck when it comes time to hunt four legged game.
Yeah, I don’t hunt so when I say versatile in this context I guess I mean they all do a good job at the other things that firearms are used for, while also being easy to use and economical to feed
 

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Yeah, I don’t hunt so when I say versatile in this context I guess I mean they all do a good job at the other things that firearms are used for, while also being easy to use and economical to feed
Not all predators are two legged, so last resort bear defense is a consideration for me. I don't hunt much either, but I prefer to have it as an option. For me choosing calibers that fulfill the defense and hunting roles allows me to become more proficient with them.
 

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I think that what is often missed is the reaction to being shot.

Most sober humans will stop with the treat of being shot, let a lone a fairly minor GSW.

When IQ drops or drugs are involved, the upper brain function decreases too. A situation that may have been handled by a 38 or 32 may now require the much quicker leathality of a much larger cartridge
 

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I think that what is often missed is the reaction to being shot.

Most sober humans will stop with the treat of being shot, let a lone a fairly minor GSW.

When IQ drops or drugs are involved, the upper brain function decreases too. A situation that may have been handled by a 38 or 32 may now require the much quicker leathality of a much larger cartridge
I'm sorry to disagree, but when someone is intent on committing violence upon you (enough so to justify deadly force) they are unlike to react to minor GSWs.. During the academy we talked about case review after case review of officer involved shootings which essentially revealed "stopping power" as a myth.

Our own firearms instructor told us of a ground fight with a man who was trying to stab him. 2 .45ACP to the chest fatally wounded the man, who continued to fight intensely for a full minute before succumbing to his injuries.
 

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I'm sorry to disagree, but when someone is intent on committing violence upon you (enough so to justify deadly force) they are unlike to react to minor GSWs.. During the academy we talked about case review after case review of officer involved shootings which essentially revealed "stopping power" as a myth.

Our own firearms instructor told us of a ground fight with a man who was trying to stab him. 2 .45ACP to the chest fatally wounded the man, who continued to fight intensely for a full minute before succumbing to his injuries.
Hence the statement of most sober humans.

You don’t have to work in EM that long to learn that most gunshot wound live for a long period of time.
 

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Hence the statement of most sober humans.

You don’t have to work in EM that long to learn that most gunshot wound live for a long period of time.
Again I'm not trying to argue just to argue, but you can still see this lack of stopping power in individuals who aren't intoxicated..

I suppose you could argue they are intoxicated on adrenaline, which they are..
 

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Again I'm not trying to argue just to argue, but you can still see this lack of stopping power in individuals who aren't intoxicated..

I suppose you could argue they are intoxicated on adrenaline, which they are..
Sure, there are sober aggressive people who can continue to aggress with wounds that will only end up being lethal after several minutes or hours. I don't think that these represent the majority of poeple who are shot in self defense though.

I've taken care of far more non-deforming 22/32/38 caliber GSWs who ended up running away or cowering after being shot than those who continued to aggress after being shot, let alone considering a larger caliber firearm.

I've also taken care of plenty of center mass GSWs of large calibers who didn't die, even though they were shot with a 45 ACP, 357, high velocity rifle, et cetera.

In the end I think a big peice comes down to what you are actually willing to care every day. I can carry a 380 or 38 almost every day. I can carry a 40 or 45 far less. I can carry a 357 or 44 very rarely in the city without being open or obviously printing. I don't want people to assume it's 45 of nothing, 380s or smaller have resolved won a lot of gunfights.
 

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I EDC a M72 LAW because **** you, **** the car you're hiding behind, and **** your buddies behind you.
 

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I EDC a M72 LAW because **** you, **** the car you're hiding behind, and **** your buddies behind you.
Those black vans on your street are the BATFE wanting to have a word with you.👮‍♀️
 

CALEMT

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Those black vans on your street are the BATFE wanting to have a word with you.👮‍♀️
They can walk up to my door anytime. My welcome mat doubles as a pressure pad for the 500 pounds of tannerite buried under my front porch and lawn lol.

*kidding of course.
 

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Practice with what you're really going to carry most of the time. My CCW only allows a maximum of 3 pistols. Therefore I have a Glock 23, a Glock 27, and my 1911. I carry my Glocks most of the time. I'm familiar enough with my listed firearms that I can tell which one I have just by feel. When I'm carrying my 1911, the manual of arms is automatic and I'll click off the safety at a certain point in the draw. When I'm carrying a Glock, I know by feel it isn't my 1911, so I don't search for the safety.

As far as accuracy goes, I'm good enough that I can keep rounds on target at distances less than 25 yards quite reliably. What stops a fight instantly? CNS hits. What takes time? Hits anywhere else. What's seriously difficult to do in a fight? Aim well enough to get CNS hits. So, shoot center of mass and be ready for physical combat because all too often people that are mortally wounded don't know it until they've collapsed. Another fight stopper is a mobility hit. If you end up busting the pelvic ring, standing is impossible.

In any event, handguns are notoriously unreliable at causing mortal wounds. This makes shot placement absolutely key. Placing shots accurately while under stress is also notoriously difficult, but it is easier to do with rifles. I'm not going to be able to conceal a rifle or carry it well, therefore I go with what I will carry...

Also, fortunately I'm pretty recoil insensitive, so pretty much anything in the 9mm-45ACP range in a semi-auto pistol doesn't bother me. Even full-house 10mm loads don't bother me much. I do feel the differences in recoil between the various loads, but it really just doesn't bother me. Interestingly enough, 185gr JHP rounds out of my 1911 tend to feel a bit snappy, much like the 180gr loads in 40S&W. I don't feel a 9mm is a bad choice and I'd carry one. I just haven't found one that I like yet.

As an old instructor of mine used to say: "Speed is fine but Accuracy is final."
 

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I have only owned one gun that I couldn't tolerate the recoil....

.357 Mag out of this little guy is brutal
 

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Yeah those featherweight revolvers pretty much universally suck...

Glock 27 is up there too..
Magnum rounds in a featherweight revolver is downright brutal. However, I find that the G27 isn't that bad. Snappy, but not bad at all.
 

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I've recently acquired some long guns, none are "evil" assault weapons (as far as CA defines them). I've got a couple single shot shotguns (12g and 20g), a couple of Springfield 03-A3 rifles, a beautiful o/u, and an 870. These were all acquired legally, so I'm all good on that end. Unfortunately, none are small enough to carry concealed, so they're not going on my CCW. 🤣
 

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