You are not getting the point. I understand how to act at work, and I respect people appropriately. This thread is not about me, read it and pay more attention.
Re-read my last post, and put your ego aside and consider your own motivations.
Seniority and respect
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You are not getting the point. I understand how to act at work, and I respect people appropriately. This thread is not about me, read it and pay more attention.
Re-read my last post, and put your ego aside and consider your own motivations.
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Last warning....
Play nice or play elsewhere.
Play nice or play elsewhere.
DrParasite
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This whole thing is about you. you started the thread. you openly say you don't respect those who came before you, and don't respect them based on the fact that they were there first.
I SMELL A TROLL!!!!
You come here saying seniority means nothing to you, and the people who are there for 20 years, doing the job you just started at should not be respected. Your the one with the ego problem, and I question what your motivations are on the board. I am quite confident with your attitude toward senior people, you wouldn't last a week where I work.
hmm, I know many who are married, with hot wives, kids, and are pretty successful in life. Many don't rely on praise from work, but being recognized for doing a good job is just positive reinforcement. Control? doing the job right, the way the agency has done it is a bad thing? maybe if you sat down, kept your mouth shut, and did what you were told, you would find yourself treated better, as well as respect more by your senior coworkers.
you insult the lack of physical fitness, and poor family life, an say it isn't personal? how out of shape are you, and how messed up is your family life? These people with chevrons (assuming that means FTO, since few places give chevrons for time, that is usually hashes) have earned them, often by time, also by recognition by management that they have trained new people in the proper ways of the company. The fact that you seem to have issues with these senior people says more about you than the people you have issues with.
it's worked for the past 30+ years, for hundreds (if not thousands) of people before you. It's called respecting the senior guys because they have come before you. It has nothing to do with making old guys feel powerful. Old guys have their quirks, respect their quirks instead of *****ing about them,
Good for you. at my workplace, the most respect people know their job, and do it well. they have earned their stripes, have been around, treat their coworkers well, and train the newbies in the traditions of the agency.
that means newbies don't drive the trucks, and do most of the paperwork. the senior man/woman usually takes the lead of how the crew is going to manage the patient. and yes, the senior guy gets to chose what channel goes on the TV. You don't like it? you are more than welcome to take your complaints to the supervisor, but they were "raised" using the same methods, and these have existed for the past 50 years, and they seem to work pretty well.
Maybe if you have so many problems with the senior guys and their demands for respect, you should look elsewhere. or speak to others in your agency and see how they deal with these people.
to the Admin: the above message is said with the utmost amount of respect (with the except of the I smell a troll comment). the intent of everything I said is to convey how respecting those who came before you, and accepting their quirks, will make his experience with any agency easier.
That is absolutely how it should be.
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My Partner has been an EMT for 10 years, he can be a **** sometimes, but i respect him, and he has TAUGHT ME ALOT!! (as much as an EMT can teach)
sure he might not know everything, sure i correct him sometimes, but i do it in a very respectful manner.
Us EMT's are in the bottom of the food chain
Paramedics are one above
Now if you want to get respect, Be a Doctor...
This thread is probably gonna get locked soon
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Newbies can't drive trucks? Someone please tell my boss this, those huge mofos with woo woos scare the bejeebuz outta me when I put them in reverse and hear BEEEP BEEEEP BEEEEEP :unsure:
You can tell me to look elsewhere, but me and my other young co-workers are the future of EMS. I base respect on real tangible evidence and opinion, rather than your old-school games. But don't worry, If Im working with you tomorrow I will put your name first on the run sheet.....Sir
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Wait... I can't drive the truck? Oh man. But I drive good. 
I promise.
I promise.
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Your Sardonic, condescending attitude will not get you very far. Future of EMS is with people that care and have respect for others.
I agree
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What some people don't seem to realize is that there are different types of respect.
Some respect is given and even owed by the very nature of job or title and not by longevity or competence. If you don't believe this, try walking into rookie judge's courtroom and disrespect them - because I promise you that there will be consequences. Or ask anyone that has ever been in the military - they'll tell you about having to respect the rank/title of somebody who was less experienced and maybe even less competent than them.
Other respect is earned, either by competence or longevity. Respect given due to perceived competence is solely upon the shoulders of the person giving it. They are free to give or remove at their sole discretion.
Respect due to longevity is based upon the acknowledgement of the amount of time, effort, sacrifice, and real world experience a person has. While it has a tacit relationship to competence, it is a completly different animal.
Notice anything missing in these paragraphs? Respect by demand. The one type of respect that doesn't exist. You can not demand that somebody respect you...plain and simple.
Some respect is given and even owed by the very nature of job or title and not by longevity or competence. If you don't believe this, try walking into rookie judge's courtroom and disrespect them - because I promise you that there will be consequences. Or ask anyone that has ever been in the military - they'll tell you about having to respect the rank/title of somebody who was less experienced and maybe even less competent than them.
Other respect is earned, either by competence or longevity. Respect given due to perceived competence is solely upon the shoulders of the person giving it. They are free to give or remove at their sole discretion.
Respect due to longevity is based upon the acknowledgement of the amount of time, effort, sacrifice, and real world experience a person has. While it has a tacit relationship to competence, it is a completly different animal.
Notice anything missing in these paragraphs? Respect by demand. The one type of respect that doesn't exist. You can not demand that somebody respect you...plain and simple.
Thank you! this is what I have been trying to get across. Especially in the last paragraph. Really well written I am impressed.
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I am ex-military and understand what you are saying quite well. It is my thinking that anyone that last past year one in EMS is in for the long haul. These individuals by virtue of lasting beyond a year of difficult hours and low wages instantly earn my respect. Heck, I am a old fart, 48yrs old, but will follow a veteran 23 yr old who has been in the field for several years.
I am all to aware of respect is earned and not given, but when in doubt, I give it when I feel it should be given until proven otherwise.
P.S. I am responding to FFEMT...
I am all to aware of respect is earned and not given, but when in doubt, I give it when I feel it should be given until proven otherwise.
P.S. I am responding to FFEMT...
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Quite honestly, a large part of that was directed at you because you gave the impression in your posts that you didn't recognize the differences between them.
If I am wrong about that, then I apologize with the caveat that in the future, you take a few moments to think before you express yourself...especially about how your communications are going to be received by your intended audience.
If I am wrong about that, then I apologize with the caveat that in the future, you take a few moments to think before you express yourself...especially about how your communications are going to be received by your intended audience.
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My previous post was directed at Tone, just for clarification.
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Im glad that together we have been able to educate the readers. When you get down to it, my posts reflect almost exactly what you are saying. You were just much more clear and concise than I was.
I will say thanks also to Dr. Parasite, as you clearly showed how someone can simply demand respect. Parasite is demanding respect to such a severe degree that he fabricated statements which I never even said. We needed his posts on here to show how firmly he believes demanding respect will make him feel good about himself.
Thanks EMTlife!
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An Old Fart's Perspective
As I've gotten older I've learned to listen to people a lot better. When they tell me something about themselves, I actually believe them! Isn't that strange.
Let's take our Bud Tone, for example. From another thread he started baiting everyone and asking for personal anecdotes about addiction. Then, just for measure, he offered just enough set up to throw his punch, once again fishing for personal anecdotes about MDMA use. (I mean, really, Tone, how transparent can you get?)
But, to his credit, Tone did reveal himself:
And that's what he got. So, for more, he came here and became the center of attention.
Good Job, Tone! Lot's of people bought into your game.
Now go home.
As for me; this thread is CLOSED!
As I've gotten older I've learned to listen to people a lot better. When they tell me something about themselves, I actually believe them! Isn't that strange.
Let's take our Bud Tone, for example. From another thread he started baiting everyone and asking for personal anecdotes about addiction. Then, just for measure, he offered just enough set up to throw his punch, once again fishing for personal anecdotes about MDMA use. (I mean, really, Tone, how transparent can you get?)
But, to his credit, Tone did reveal himself:
And that's what he got. So, for more, he came here and became the center of attention.
Good Job, Tone! Lot's of people bought into your game.
Now go home.
As for me; this thread is CLOSED!
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Trolling lol. Reminds me of 4chan forums if anyone is familiar with that.
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wow. all I did was state comments you made, and now you are saying you never said those statements? wow, you really are out of touch with reality.
I don't demand respect. and considering how little I think of you, I can honestly say I don't care if you respect me or not. your opinion of me doesn't even matter, because I consider you a troll, simply a nuisance who will go away once everyone ignores you.
I attempted to educate you in the ways that you were wrong. I am quite confident your arrogant condescending attitude will result in you having very little success in this field. And yes, others on here pointed out your attitude, and even they attempted to explain where and why you were wrong.
But I am done feeding the trolls, and I am done wasting my time with you. Maybe we will get really lucky, and not only will this thread get locked, but you will be banned for being nothing more than a troll.
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