COVID VACCINE - The Megathread

Would you get the Pfizer vaccine if it were available to you?


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DrParasite

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Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. children should be vaccinated to death because getting pericarditis is MUCH BETTER than getting a case of the flu.
Woooow.... this is scary, because it's not made up. You're right, it's a documented complication.





but as all of the smart people say, it's rare.... out of 177 million shots, maybe 1000 cases.

Now if we compare that to influenza, we find "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


So please, stop the hyperbole, because it's a RARE complication. If you want to get technical, you are more likely to die from the flu itself (at least if you look at the actual numbers), compared to developing a form of pericarditis following the flu shot.
 
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DrParasite

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Your comments mean nothing to me. Just another knee-jerk negative reaction from you.
knee jerk reaction??? I actually had to research my response to @ffemt8978's post to make sure it was factually accurate!
 

CarSevenFour

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Or you could simply listen to actual people who were working in hospitals that actually did receive and treat COVID 19 patients. Mine got full of these patients more times than I can count. I actually work in the ED.
Or maybe they just had the flu. In case you did not understand, this journalist interviewed 2 medics who ACTUALLY WERE just coming from the ER. In another instance, a videographer interviewed security at the ER just after an L.A. local news broadcaster stated that the emergency rooms all over the city were packed with Covid victims and people should stay away. When asked about that assertion, the security guard said, "No, it's been very quiet all day. We haven't even had a single trauma case today, either." This cameraman also went inside and got footage of the ER and it was actually empty when it was widely reported on Los Angeles TV stations that the local trauma center was filled with Covid patients.
 

DrParasite

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let me quote what you said:
The Covid "vaccine" is not a traditional vaccine, it is gene therapy using nanoparticles (graphene) and aborted human fetus cells.
So, you made a claim, and when you were called out on it for being BS, and provided a source to back up your claim (props to you for doing some research).
So, show me some proof that "it's simply not true.". Because you say it isn't true, we're supposed to believe you? I can show proof that there are aborted fetal cells used to manufacture these vaccines. It's out there if you take the time to do real research. https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/COVID Vaccine Page/COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf

Which begs the question of who is selling and buying this tissue? It's bad enough we kill the unborn, we sell their body parts as well so Planned Parenthood harvesters can profit off death. Even The Vatican has weighed in on the issue. When the Pope talks about fetal cells used in Covid-19 manufacturing, Catholics take note.
did you even bother to read it? because the handout you linked says "While fetal cell lines may be used to develop or manufacture COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccines themselves do not contain any aborted fetal cells". That on the second page, first paragraph.

So, as per your own source, this covid vaccine doe not contain "any aborted human fetus cells"
 

DrParasite

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Or maybe they just had the flu. In case you did not understand, this journalist interviewed 2 medics who ACTUALLY WERE just coming from the ER. In another instance, a videographer interviewed security at the ER just after an L.A. local news broadcaster stated that the emergency rooms all over the city were packed with Covid victims and people should stay away. When asked about that assertion, the security guard said, "No, it's been very quiet all day. We haven't even had a single trauma case today, either." This cameraman also went inside and got footage of the ER and it was actually empty when it was widely reported on Los Angeles TV stations that the local trauma center was filled with Covid patients.
Wow... are you sure about that? Because your statement appears to be factually inaccurate, at least as per the people that were actually there


Don't worry, the video you saw was addressed too:

The video was filmed at the hospital’s outpatient center, which is not where COVID-19 patients arrive. They come in through separate emergency department and ambulance entrances.

A deceptive and widely viewed Facebook video claimed Los Angeles hospitals did not face a recent surge of COVID-19 patients. The footage made the rounds and was believed by Facebook users despite strong evidence to the contrary from health officials and media reports.

The anti-mask activist who shot the video made a sweeping conclusion: There are “absolutely no patients” at Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Hospital in Los Angeles, according to the video, posted on New Year’s Day. The activist also referred to hospital staff as “useful idiots.”

A hospital representative rejected the video’s assertions as baseless.

The footage mostly shows the hospital’s deserted outpatient center. But this is not where COVID-19 patients arrive, as pointed out by some of the comments on the video.

Most patients arrive through separate ambulance and emergency department entrances, said Gwendolyn Driscoll, spokesperson for MLK Jr. Community Hospital.
 

GMCmedic

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So, show me some proof that "it's simply not true.". Because you say it isn't true, we're supposed to believe you? I can show proof that there are aborted fetal cells used to manufacture these vaccines. It's out there if you take the time to do real research. https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www... Page/COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf

Which begs the question of who is selling and buying this tissue? It's bad enough we kill the unborn, we sell their body parts as well so Planned Parenthood harvesters can profit off death. Even The Vatican has weighed in on the issue. When the Pope talks about fetal cells used in Covid-19 manufacturing, Catholics take note.
Again from your own link, beyond what @DrParasite pointed out. These are fetal cells lines. Which are dozens if generations removed from the aborted fetal cells.

Fetal cells lines are not equal to aborted fetal cells
 
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mgr22

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I don't wear a mask and refuse to become a shill for the "medical" establishment or brainwashed EMT. I see BS and call it. Do your own research and see the outright unscientific stupidity of WHO, CDC, NIAID and follow their ever-changing guidelines. Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. children should be vaccinated to death because getting pericarditis is MUCH BETTER than getting a case of the flu. The last one I saw was that you'll have to take 3 jabs, really?! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH-I JUST GAVE YOU THE BASICS.
Thanks, I already have the basics and much more. I have done my own research, as you suggest -- meta research, to be more precise -- because I can't do my job well without it. Based on that research, I'm comfortable concluding that the risk of death or disability from the vaccine is much less than the risk of catching the virus and suffering death or disability from it.

You mentioned brainwashing. Who do you think is responsible for deceiving so many medical professionals about COVID? What's in it for them?
 

jgmedic

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I’d hate to see his argument against Polio vaccination…
He refers to vaccines as jabs, said do your own research(classic anti-vax tropes), and actually referenced Tenpenny, a disproven quack, right up there with Mercola. Anything said after that doesnt really matter.


Fun article about Tenpenny's latest claim.

EDIT:I missed the part where everyone called this out. My fault.
 

ffemt8978

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So I guess because you said so, an anon. guy on some backwater EMS site, it must be true. Here's a tip for you, look up her peer-reviewed research, it's out there.
So her "peer reviewed" research means more to you than official CDC and FDA information that can be independently verified?
 

ffemt8978

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Akulahawk

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So I guess because you said so, an anon. guy on some backwater EMS site, it must be true. Here's a tip for you, look up her peer-reviewed research, it's out there.
So far, I have looked and found precious little (to say none) of any viral / immunological research done by her, and by extension, therefore no peer-reviewed research published by her in those fields. I did find a "paper" by her, that was poorly written, contradicted itself, and was not peer-reviewed.

I did find expensive books, DVDs and seminars that promote an anti-vax ideology though... and I'm sure she profits nicely from the sales of these products. I would normally expect that she would make much of her material available at a very low price to enhance sales and thus drive her profits but if her viewpoint is true, she's only making her material to those with money (because her material is expensive) and writing-off the less wealthy because they cannot afford the material.

The reality is she's making money off people that can both afford proper medical care and have the means to buy her material.
 

jgmedic

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I have found that most followers of Tenpenny and her ilk can not be convinced of any other viewpoint. Most seem to think any and all scientific research is "shills" for Big Pharma and "allopathic" medicine. The constant braying of "do your own research" meaning google and naturalnews.org is about all the response you can usually hope for.

I do not have a problem with questioning the efficacy of certain medical practices or treatments, but IMO if you a true follower of these people you have no business in healthcare.
 

Carlos Danger

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The constant braying of "do your own research" meaning google and naturalnews.org is about all the response you can usually hope for.
Personally I love the phrase "do your research" because it tells you everything you need to know about the credibility of the person saying it. Not unlike "the science is settled" and "all we have to do is....".

It's actually pretty funny until you stop and think about how many people believe that "doing research" simply means reading content from sources that support their biases.
 

Fezman92

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They always do it when you ask to back up their claims then accuse you of being lazy when you refuse to do the ‘research’
 

CarSevenFour

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Wow... are you sure about that? Because your statement appears to be factually inaccurate, at least as per the people that were actually there


Don't worry, the video you saw was addressed too:

The video was filmed at the hospital’s outpatient center, which is not where COVID-19 patients arrive. They come in through separate emergency department and ambulance entrances.

A deceptive and widely viewed Facebook video claimed Los Angeles hospitals did not face a recent surge of COVID-19 patients. The footage made the rounds and was believed by Facebook users despite strong evidence to the contrary from health officials and media reports.

The anti-mask activist who shot the video made a sweeping conclusion: There are “absolutely no patients” at Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Hospital in Los Angeles, according to the video, posted on New Year’s Day. The activist also referred to hospital staff as “useful idiots.”

A hospital representative rejected the video’s assertions as baseless.

The footage mostly shows the hospital’s deserted outpatient center. But this is not where COVID-19 patients arrive, as pointed out by some of the comments on the video.

Most patients arrive through separate ambulance and emergency department entrances, said Gwendolyn Driscoll, spokesperson for MLK Jr. Community Hosp

They always do it when you ask to back up their claims then accuse you of being lazy when you refuse to do the ‘research’
OK, I'll help you out, check the latest VAERS stats. Still want to get vaxxed? No vaccines have EVER been allowed to stay on the market with this many serious adverse reactions across all age groups. especially not experimental vaccines like mRNA variants.
 

CarSevenFour

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Personally I love the phrase "do your research" because it tells you everything you need to know about the credibility of the person saying it. Not unlike "the science is settled" and "all we have to do is....".

It's actually pretty funny until you stop and think about how many people believe that "doing research" simply means reading content from sources that support their biases.
And you support your own biases by refusing to do your own work. I gave you easy sources that you can springboard to however deep you want to go. Sorry, I refuse to hold your hand. Do your own research, I'm not here to do anything other than offer my own findings that are linked to deeper scientific papers. I'd suggest you start with the VAERS stats https://vaers.hhs.gov/ updated regularly and know that these only scratch the surface because there's often underreporting, but the numbers are generally accepted by the scientific community.
 

CarSevenFour

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Personally I love the phrase "do your research" because it tells you everything you need to know about the credibility of the person saying it. Not unlike "the science is settled" and "all we have to do is....".

It's actually pretty funny until you stop and think about how many people believe that "doing research" simply means reading content from sources that support their biases.
Or like your sig line says (and I paraphrase), " Life is hard; it's even harder if you're lazy."
 

Carlos Danger

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And you support your own biases by refusing to do your own work. I gave you easy sources that you can springboard to however deep you want to go. Sorry, I refuse to hold your hand. Do your own research, I'm not here to do anything other than offer my own findings that are linked to deeper scientific papers. I'd suggest you start with the VAERS stats https://vaers.hhs.gov/ updated regularly and know that these only scratch the surface because there's often underreporting, but the numbers are generally accepted by the scientific community.
I don't know what you are talking about. Did I quote you or address you in any way?
 

jgmedic

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VAERS? You mean the self-reported system that CDC states cannot be used to determine vaccine efficacy or safety. I could go on there right now and make as many false/misleading reports as I want. The scientific community does not accept VAERS data alone because it is completely unscientific.
 

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