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Nursing is no longer considered a professional degree
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Professional does not equal doctoral entry.
Dept of Ed does not consider PT to be professional and it requires a doctorate... now...
Did Pharmacists and Psychologists only become professionals recently? These didn't used to require doctorates an there are many practicing psychologists, pharmacists, and PTs who do not have doctorates. As was mentioned, a BS in engineering (and an FE exam) lets you work, and then you eventually can sit for your PE without even a MS (though some eng fields you aren't competitive without MS or PhD).
MASTER of DIVINITY is considered a professional degree by Dept of Ed.
Chiroprators are professionals and deserving extra tax money to back their loans to learn quackery.
Ah but CNM, DNAP, DNP, PhD... nope. Conceptually it is insulting even if such increased loans shouldn't be needed...
It's arbitrary selection of "winners" by government appointees. And this is just one of the reasons why CD says kill the gov backed loans. I tend to agree with him that nondischargable gov backed loans of immense size are the #1 reason for the cost of education vastly exceeding the rate of inflation.
I'd also say the follow on effect of that is degree inflation... there is money to be made in the education industrial complex, so why not increase the degree program length, level, and cost in the name of professionalism? That has benefits too... up to a point. But it has huge costs after that point. Raising the barrier to entry via educational requirements thus raises the cost of everything for everyone because people are kept out of workforce longer, fewer total can enter, then must be paid more, and have loans to pay, and charge you more... is the service provided equivalently improved?
Are nurses and society better off with 3 years, 4 years, or 5 years of education?
Are paramedics and society better off with with <1 year like the US? 2-3 years like Canada? 4 years like AU?
Are physicians and society better off with 6 years of post-secondary education and a 3 year residency for GPs as in much of Europe, or 8-9 years with 4-5 years of residency plus fellowship as in the US?
Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of what higher ed was, or could be, but not of what it has become.
Dept of Ed does not consider PT to be professional and it requires a doctorate... now...
Did Pharmacists and Psychologists only become professionals recently? These didn't used to require doctorates an there are many practicing psychologists, pharmacists, and PTs who do not have doctorates. As was mentioned, a BS in engineering (and an FE exam) lets you work, and then you eventually can sit for your PE without even a MS (though some eng fields you aren't competitive without MS or PhD).
MASTER of DIVINITY is considered a professional degree by Dept of Ed.
Chiroprators are professionals and deserving extra tax money to back their loans to learn quackery.
Ah but CNM, DNAP, DNP, PhD... nope. Conceptually it is insulting even if such increased loans shouldn't be needed...
It's arbitrary selection of "winners" by government appointees. And this is just one of the reasons why CD says kill the gov backed loans. I tend to agree with him that nondischargable gov backed loans of immense size are the #1 reason for the cost of education vastly exceeding the rate of inflation.
I'd also say the follow on effect of that is degree inflation... there is money to be made in the education industrial complex, so why not increase the degree program length, level, and cost in the name of professionalism? That has benefits too... up to a point. But it has huge costs after that point. Raising the barrier to entry via educational requirements thus raises the cost of everything for everyone because people are kept out of workforce longer, fewer total can enter, then must be paid more, and have loans to pay, and charge you more... is the service provided equivalently improved?
Are nurses and society better off with 3 years, 4 years, or 5 years of education?
Are paramedics and society better off with with <1 year like the US? 2-3 years like Canada? 4 years like AU?
Are physicians and society better off with 6 years of post-secondary education and a 3 year residency for GPs as in much of Europe, or 8-9 years with 4-5 years of residency plus fellowship as in the US?
Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of what higher ed was, or could be, but not of what it has become.
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