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As a new EMT I am curious to know what goes through your mind as you work a call.

For example, when I respond to a scene I am thinking thorugh my NREMT skills slowly and methodically: Scene Safe, BSI, Number of PT's, MOI/NOI, Additional Resources e.t.c...

I am curious to know what runs thorugh your head as you respond to a scene? Are you using your NREMT skills as I am, reciting them mentally, like a check list? Perhaps you are thinking more reactionary, allowing your experience and training to guide you.

Tell me what, and how you think.
 
"ALWAYS right after I order my lunch! :censored: "

In all seriousness I try not to think of the call itself too much other than gear I will likely need to take in. I'd probably end up imagining something completely off and end up confusing myself with that when I get on scene.

Maybe I'm just weird.
 
When responding to a call, I'm mostly making sure I know how to get there. And I'm not assuming the dispatch information is correct.
 
If there is one thing that will get you in trouble one day is assuming that the dispatcher is correct. I am not a nremt but I am well trained and have a bot of experienced as a nys Emt. On more than one occasion I showed up to an injuries of a fall and got there and there was CPR in progress. The one thing that goes threw my mind when going to a call is take the dispatch info and prepare for the worst. We do have a few "frequent flyers", those are the PTs that I know what type of equipment I may or may not need. My suggestion is always be ready for the worst situation and things are different depending on the call keep that in mind also.
 
I think about what I have to do next.

When I first get on scene, regardless of whether it's trauma or medical, my company uses the START triage guidelines. When we see our patient, we have to qualify them as green, yellow, or red, and based off that we can ask or cancel for additional resources.


I have to contemplate asking for an additional ambulance, which can be upwards of 25+ minutes away, just so I can get another Paramedic on scene for help.


I also have to call for, continue, or cancel the helicopter that may or may not have been auto-launched, along with thinking of a potential landing/pickup zone for the helo.


I also have to think about transport decisions. Do I go to the tiny hospital 40 minutes away, the level 2 50 minutes away, or the level 1 60 minutes the other way?


I also have to guide the actions of various first responders on the scene, and my own EMT, to get the best outcome possible.


I also have to weigh staying on scene for a bit and doing what I can / have to, and getting them in to the rig and down the road as soon as I can.




And that's all usually before even touching the patient, not even including my treatment decisions.
 
"What am I going to eat after this...?:

Just kidding.

When I actually was a a squad, a handful of times this year being the latest, I always like to see what is going on.

Where are we? What were we called for? Are there dangers like moving traffic, darkness, wires, gas leaks, that sort of thing.

Just like in my medical assessment, I don't look for ambiguous findings. I have specific things I am looking for.

Then I try to find a place to park with good egress. Some people always park the truck face in a driveway. Not only to they have to take an unneeded risk of backing out, but if another vehicle pulls up behind, they are stuck. Then it looks like a parade of fools as everyone juggles vehicles.

Whats more, if there is danger you may have to back out if possible or abandon the vehicle. Both equally bad options.

Then I want to know where the patient(s) is. So I can decide if they need to be "rescued" so that medical care can procede. It may be as simple as dragging their corpse out of the bathroom, or complex enough to require other resources which must be called.

If more than one I triage them and decide if I can handle them all.

Then I assess my patient for specific life threatening findings. If so, they are addressed as best we can while we further the goal of moving. If not, then a more thorough assessment takes place.

Depending on where I am, transport may not be a requirement, in which case a treatment plan must be formed with a follow up and patient education.

I am not overly impressed by communtiy hospitals. I understand their point, but life threats and the ability to look for and find obscure problems on common complaints is really rather limited. On a few occasions we did stop in very serious injuries because extra hands and equipment not available to us, along with a doctor and a helipad were better options than driving 45 minutes on the road requiring things we did not have. (the patients all required surgery, but if they don't live to surgery they don't get it.)

It all becomes a rather fluid balancing act. As you do it more, you become very good at it. It is all about volme of experience, not chronology.

Class knowledge can take you only so far. "Scene safe?" Do you know an unsafe one when you see it? Do you know it could change at anytime?

"ABC" those change over time too. Not to mention you could happen upon a patient who will have a problem with those, who has other findings first.

You could have a patient with chronic problems, who always have trouble breathing but have other complaints today.

Don't worry, over time you develop your own style.

Now for lunch.
 
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Then I try to find a place to park with good egress. Some people always park the truck face in a driveway. Not only to they have to take an unneeded risk of backing out, but if another vehicle pulls up behind, they are stuck. Then it looks like a parade of fools as everyone juggles vehicles.

Whats more, if there is danger you may have to back out if possible or abandon the vehicle. Both equally bad options.

The long lost art of vehicle positioning ... really a skill ... but lost none the less ... under taught ... under appreciated ...

I usually try and imagine the ABSOLUTE WORST case scenario. Guy in the attic of a triple decker, naked, covered in his own excrement, with roaches every where, the smell making you tear up. He weighs 350 lbs and his necrotic legs won't allow him to stand, much less walk, so you have to stair chair him down the 3+ flights of rickety ill repaired steps.

Now when I arrive on scene anything else is considered trivial in comparison.
 
My opinion is that you kind of get used to it. I am still pretty new in EMS and I did fear over thinking what to do in a call, but it does go away. Once you have been doing long enough, things like BSI and scene safety are so common that you don't think about them. For example, you learned how to brush your teeth as a kid, but as a grown adult do you sit and tell yourself, I have to go up and down, back and forward and be sure to get under the tongue.
 
Hale,

You're answer is spot on with my question. Let me clarify my question for others who are interested.

Obviously we all have different ways of solving problems. And in essence that is what EMS is, problem solving. When we go to school we are given the fundamental skills needed to solve problems like shock, traumatic injuries, dyspnea etc... These skills are outlined in the NREMT skills sheets providing us with a framework to follow. My question is, how many of you actually use the NREMT skills as an algorhythm?
 
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Hale,

You're answer is spot on with my question. Let me clarify my question for others who are interested.

Obviously we all have different ways of solving problems. And in essence that is what EMS is, problem solving. When we go to school we are given the fundamental skills needed to solve problems like shock, traumatic injuries, dyspnea etc... These skills are outlined in the NREMT skills sheets providing us with a framework to follow. My question is, how many of you actually use the NREMT skills as an algorhythm?

I can't think of any call where I've followed a prehospital algorithm without making at least minor adjustments to allow for the specifics of the case.
 
After years of experience I learned that the most useful thing I could do was to "empty" myself of as much thought as possible before entering a scene so I could really "see" what was going on without juggling my pre-conceptions or concerns.

This is all part of the natural learning curve because in the beginning, it's all about repetition, trial and error until the stuff gets ingrained enough in you that it just gets done.
 
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