EMT killed while helping crash victim
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Not good...but looks like it was unavoidable, as we all see how people forget how to drive in inclement weather every day. I hope that this reminds everyone to take proper safety precautions when assisting people off duty, i.e., use your flashers, wear reflective gear if you have it, and try to protect the accident scene with your vehicle...and always be cautious when using flares.
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That is so awful!!
I always think about things like that happening when I stop to help with car crashes before the local EMS get there. The other thing I worry about is violent patients...
I always think about things like that happening when I stop to help with car crashes before the local EMS get there. The other thing I worry about is violent patients...
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40sCutest said:
Definitely.
I've handled the TxP of edp's before... I was fortunate never to come across one that wanted to act out violently. I can only pray that when I return to service that I'll continue to have such luck.
I have been on the short end of the stick, unfortunately, several times...the best way to deal with a violent pt is to get 4 or 5 people in a cirlce around them, and if they need restrained go at them all at once...they become disoriented and are unalbe to fend of 5 people...allowing you to restrain them with "the minimal force nessecary to prevent injury to yourself or others" and treat them appropriately. Also, for ALS providers, most ER doc's are will to provide "chemical" restraints, ie valium, ativan, versed, etc.... most air medical programs automatically RSI anyone who might even remotely become combative or violent as a precaution to the aircraft. So. after my longwindedness, all I am saying is that eventually you will have to deal with a violent person, just try to be as prepared as possible.
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"Though it was determined Jackson had been drinking alcohol, the CHP reported that he was not under the influence at the time of the crash."
right...it had nothing to do with it...
right...it had nothing to do with it...
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FFEMT1764 said:
Usually if I'm on a call w/ a violent pt we can restrain them without to much trouble, I was just thinking about being on my own and trying to assess a pt. before other providers were there, assuming that you came upon the scene of an accident for incident.
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FFEMT1764 said:
That definitely goes without saying.
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Thats a shame to loose one of our people, and for the drunk to get away with it is even worse.
I have heard some really bad stories about violent pts, knock on wood I havent had any real bad ones yet.
I have heard some really bad stories about violent pts, knock on wood I havent had any real bad ones yet.
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I really have NO RESPECT for people who drink and drive; I don't care how functional they believe themselves to be. I've ended friendships over it. I'm pretty damn sure I'm not alone on this either.Carpe Diem said:
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Oh Im right behind you on that one. That is wreckless and totally avoidable, I think if you kill someone it should be premeditated murder.
Well we cant charge then with premeditated murder(Murder 1) because leagally if you are intoxicated you cannot form the requisit intent, howver WE can chrage then with depraved indifference homicide(Murder 2) and let them sit in a cell for 20 to life vs. the death penalty.
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That sounds good to me. Manslaughter is just not tough enough.:thumbs_down:
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Alcohol or not people do not drive as a general rule with any regard for others. Just last night on a hot return, working a core, I had 2 cars pass me on an on ramp to the interstate. I guess in my attempt to keep the medics on their feet I was going to slow for them. My partner and I have been flipped off, honked at and then flipped off, for blocking a lane at an MVA. How dare we slow those in a hurry down... And lets not forget the idiots who drive with their eyes locked in to the pavement 2 feet in front of their car...
And lets not forget the idiots who drive with their eyes locked in to the pavement 2 feet in front of their car...
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Just because the guy had a drink or two doesen't mean he was drunk. He passed a feild sobriety test, I would assume for CHP to say he wasn't drunk.
It also SOUNDS LIKE he was trying to slow down and aproach with caution instead of bombing by at 80mph.
The guy will have to live with this for the rest of his life.... isn't that enough punishment?
Jon
It also SOUNDS LIKE he was trying to slow down and aproach with caution instead of bombing by at 80mph.
The guy will have to live with this for the rest of his life.... isn't that enough punishment?
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He won't be the only one living with it for the rest of his life. So will the tech's family and friends (if he has any).MedicStudentJon said:
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Bottom line is that its just not smart to drink and drive, those drinks might have made the difference between allowing our brother to live and ending his life. He had to have quite a bit of alcohol in his system for it to even have come up in the investigation. Though its true he has the rest of his life to think about it, the EMT dosent. Then also you are right Jon, the man was not charged with it after being tested, and we dont know all the details, we never do. I do know it is a pretty sore subject for several reasons though.