DrParasite
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damn spell check at 4:30 in the morning lol:blink: Man, if our campus had one of those... I would have done so much better in math freshman year.
EMS addiction
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If it becomes known in a way that affects patient care... the provider is going to be GONE, and his/her certs are going to be GONE too, most likely. This would be the partner getting stoned mid-shift, or diverting controlled substances.
If the provider A) shows up intoxicated, or B) is stoned outside of work, the current scheme seems to be that if they admit they have a problem and agree to get help, that work will bend over backwards to get them into treatment, and likely have a position for them when they return, likely with some conditions.
EMS providers are people too... we see lots of nasty stuff, and some of us use different things as coping mechanisms.
If the provider A) shows up intoxicated, or B) is stoned outside of work, the current scheme seems to be that if they admit they have a problem and agree to get help, that work will bend over backwards to get them into treatment, and likely have a position for them when they return, likely with some conditions.
EMS providers are people too... we see lots of nasty stuff, and some of us use different things as coping mechanisms.
Some pretty good posts in this thread, thanks everyone!
Im intentionally keeping anonymous on emtlife so that I can actually post real experiences. I don't see much from people in terms of personal experience, I think that may be due to you have identified who you really are on here.
Side topic on here:
Anyone ever researched/experienced the psychologically therapeutic benefits of MDMA?
Im intentionally keeping anonymous on emtlife so that I can actually post real experiences. I don't see much from people in terms of personal experience, I think that may be due to you have identified who you really are on here.
Side topic on here:
Anyone ever researched/experienced the psychologically therapeutic benefits of MDMA?
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Meursault
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Wasn't aware of any, but do explain. This may have to go to PM, given that it's not particularly on-topic and recreational drug threads tend to bring out the people who missed their calling to law enforcement.
firetender
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Go Fish! Elsewhere...
now, you're p***ing me off!
now, you're p***ing me off!
youre saying cops do drugs?
i dont really agree if you are, but from your experience you find this?
reaper
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I hope you are joking with that statement?
There is extensive research showing successful MDMA assisted PTSD psychotherapy. The drug has a very unique drug classification as an "entactogen"
3,4−methylenedioxy−N−methylamphetamine (MDMA) produces an experience that has been described in terms of "inhibiting the subjective fear response to an emotional threat" (Greer & Tolbert, 1998, p. 371) and increasing the range of positive emotions toward self and others (Adamson, 1985; Cami et al, 2000; Grinspoon and Bakalar, 1986). Several promising reports exist of the benefits of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. (Adamson, 1985; d'Otalora, http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/moaccount.html; Gasser 1994; Greer and Tolbert 1998; Metzner and Adamson, 1988, 2001; Naranjo, 2001; Styk, 2001; Wolfson 1986) or based on an uncontrolled study (Greer and Tolbert 1986).
Shishkabob
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I had a patient die a couple of weeks back from an E overdose, skyrocketing his temp well above 108*
You'd be hard pressed to convince me that it's a good drug even in minor doses, when other, safer, drugs can, and do, exist.
You'd be hard pressed to convince me that it's a good drug even in minor doses, when other, safer, drugs can, and do, exist.
The problem is, the DEA criminalized MDMA for political gain. The 'scientific' study used to classify MDMA as illegal was withdrawn and the publisher admitted he used the wrong substance in the control tests.
I know I'm going to have to quote sources on this. Standby, I can link some videos and sites as references if anyone is actually interested in this.
I know I'm going to have to quote sources on this. Standby, I can link some videos and sites as references if anyone is actually interested in this.
Shishkabob
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Right... the DEA is in it purely for political gain and not because it's a dangerous drug.
Patient, 3 weeks ago, dead, 108* temp. E.
Patient, 3 weeks ago, dead, 108* temp. E.
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Fair enough, "E" is a street name for a pressed pill containing what is supposed to be MDMA, but probably contains a mixture of McPP, MDA, speed etc, etc.
I am not talking about using E at a rave, thats very dangerous. Im talking about a milligram measured and purity tested dose of pure MDMA. Used in an appropriate environment to support psychological improvement.
The danger you are referring to is only in the supply, as in the risk of contamination with other substances. MDMA itself in appropriate dose is research proven safe.
Much more dangerous Rx only meds are currently available than MDMA. Oxycontin has a much higher potential for abuse, overdose, and addiction than MDMA and its is widely prescribed.
Far more people die from OC's than MDMA The difference is that its immensely profitable, and thus remains available.
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Lets be honest, you have no idea what drug or combination of drugs caused your patient to go VSA.
Shishkabob
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Really?
So there's no chance that I could have gone back to the hospital and spoken with the doctor / nurse that I brought the patient to and found out about the tox report, since he was the 5th OD I brought that night?
Well darn.
Not trying to fight about this one but,
Tox screens cant determine between MDMA, MDA, McPP and piperzines. The mixup of drugs in street E is just that diverse.
You think you patient died from an overdose of Pure laboratory quality tested MDMA? There really is no way to tell what mixup of drugs caused the death.
akflightmedic
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You are Canadian eh?
One day...
I will be hired by the secret government that runs the government. Hopefully as the chair of the death panel.
The conspiracy of withholding drugs for profit is old and tired.
I have written extensively here on the subject. But here is the summation.
In the world exists more than the US. Other countries are constantly on the lookout for cheaper meds or cheaper ways. If a cheaper way existed, some one some where would be using it.
Healthcare providers, especially in medicine, are a rather vocal bunch. When something works generally the practicioners fight for it. Look at methadone. Not only for rehab, but for terminally ill and cancer patients. It had benefits and it was demanded. The process is long, and not the most efficent, I'll give you that.
A cheap drug that a lot of people can use is preferable to an expensive drug that few benefit from or even afford.
MDMA was at one point until sometime in the 1980s available by prescription in the US. To treat "shyness" of all things. The harm it causes outweighs the benefits. It doesn't mean it has no benefits.
The exact same issue arises with THC and even prior to that laudnum. It is not just abuse potential that makes a drug unfit for use.
One of the largest spenders on PTSD is the US military. I would bet my last penny if they even thought that something as cheap and easy as MDMA was the "cure" or treatment, it would be given out like candy.
Intending no disrespect, but rather than argue the uses of "prohibited drugs" on an EMS forum, get a degree in medicine or pharmacy and argue where it might actually make a difference. You will find however, the more you study it, the weaker the arguments look for most of the "banned" substances.
Available treatments should be based on evidence stronger than popular or public opinion. When you look at how low on the totem pole "expert opinion" rates, "nonexpert opinion" should not even register.
As usual just my perspective.
I will be hired by the secret government that runs the government. Hopefully as the chair of the death panel.
The conspiracy of withholding drugs for profit is old and tired.
I have written extensively here on the subject. But here is the summation.
In the world exists more than the US. Other countries are constantly on the lookout for cheaper meds or cheaper ways. If a cheaper way existed, some one some where would be using it.
Healthcare providers, especially in medicine, are a rather vocal bunch. When something works generally the practicioners fight for it. Look at methadone. Not only for rehab, but for terminally ill and cancer patients. It had benefits and it was demanded. The process is long, and not the most efficent, I'll give you that.
A cheap drug that a lot of people can use is preferable to an expensive drug that few benefit from or even afford.
MDMA was at one point until sometime in the 1980s available by prescription in the US. To treat "shyness" of all things. The harm it causes outweighs the benefits. It doesn't mean it has no benefits.
The exact same issue arises with THC and even prior to that laudnum. It is not just abuse potential that makes a drug unfit for use.
One of the largest spenders on PTSD is the US military. I would bet my last penny if they even thought that something as cheap and easy as MDMA was the "cure" or treatment, it would be given out like candy.
Intending no disrespect, but rather than argue the uses of "prohibited drugs" on an EMS forum, get a degree in medicine or pharmacy and argue where it might actually make a difference. You will find however, the more you study it, the weaker the arguments look for most of the "banned" substances.
Available treatments should be based on evidence stronger than popular or public opinion. When you look at how low on the totem pole "expert opinion" rates, "nonexpert opinion" should not even register.
As usual just my perspective.
Meursault
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No, but nice try. I've had previous run-ins on that issue with posters with a rather Judge Dredd-esque attitude.
And that's why arguing for medical use of recreational drugs tends to fall flat.
I agree lets take the medical use out of the equation because you're right it wont ever become legal.
Anyone actually used MDMA with success and improved their quality of life?
I can say about 5 emergency responders I know who are living a better life and moved past some stress issues more efficiently because of it.