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D.C. Fire Department Left Out of Capitol Hill Airplane Incident



Updated: 05-13-2005 09:49:49 AM
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As an airplane with unknown intentions flew toward the U.S. Capitol and White House Wednesday, many of the cities' first responders were left to guess what was going on as they watched office workers running for their lives.

First responders in Washington, D.C. only found out that an airplane had violated restricted air space around the Capitol and White House, potentially posing a threat to the city, from local media or phone calls from friends.

The Associated Press reported that D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams said city officials weren't told about the threat until the all-clear was sounded, more than 10 minutes after the White House and Capitol were evacuated. A city government building that houses the mayoral and District of Columbia Council offices, located two blocks from the White House, was not evacuated according to AP.

A D.C. firefighter told Firehouse.Com News that firefighters knew nothing about the potential terrorist attack as they rode their truck down city streets while watching F-16 jets flying overhead. On a routine maintenance trip, the jets could be seen out of the windows of their truck. It was not until they returned to the station that they found out by watching television what was going on. The fire station never received any sort of alert.

District of Columbia Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department PIO Specialist Alan Etter said he was at work when the noise of jet engines rocked his office. He called Special Operations Chief Larry Schultz, and then Assistant Fire Chief for Operations James Martin, neither of whom knew of anything special happening. While watching CNN five minutes later, he saw the evacuations going on and again contacted Chief Martin who had just heard of the incident on WTOP Radio.


Clicky
 
Maybe they should go back to scaring the living hell out of people with friendly, loud, ear piercing.. air raid sirens.
 
Originally posted by TTLWHKR@May 13 2005, 12:32 PM
Maybe they should go back to scaring the living hell out of people with friendly, loud, ear piercing.. air raid sirens.
My town still has one.... mounted on the firehouse....


Jon
 
What did the FD want? To be dispatched? To what?

The only thing I can think of is that dispatch should have known what was going and maybe an informational page should have gone out over the radios, but, IMO, not knowing a darn thing about DC or their SOPs, should have stayed in station until something happened.
 
Originally posted by Chimpie@May 13 2005, 12:45 PM
What did the FD want? To be dispatched? To what?

The only thing I can think of is that dispatch should have known what was going and maybe an informational page should have gone out over the radios, but, IMO, not knowing a darn thing about DC or their SOPs, should have stayed in station until something happened.
yeah... that sounds like what they wanted... it sounds like the city only knew what the mass media was reporting.

Gee... If I was in charge, start getting extra resources lined up... Maybe a partial recall? Institute a staging plan? set up a command center somewhere remote? Get command level staff ready to respond?

stage nearby resources AWAY from obvious targets (White House, Capitol, Pentagon, Mall)

I don't think the PD knew either.. they probably wanted to do the same.

Luckly nothing happened, so this was a chance to see what went right/wrong without anyone having to die.

Jon
 
Originally posted by MedicStudentJon@May 13 2005, 10:53 AM
Gee... If I was in charge, start getting extra resources lined up... Maybe a partial recall? Institute a staging plan? set up a command center somewhere remote? Get command level staff ready to respond?
Well that's def. good thinking, but why waste time sending people here and there when you do know where it's going to hit?

Why waste setting up a command center if the plane could just smash into the ground killing only the pilot?

Same example above for the recall?
 
And do you really want several huge-arse pieces of apparatus running around the streets that already are filled with people running in every direction?
 
Originally posted by Chimpie+May 13 2005, 12:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chimpie @ May 13 2005, 12:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MedicStudentJon@May 13 2005, 10:53 AM
Gee... If I was in charge, start getting extra resources lined up... Maybe a partial recall? Institute a staging plan? set up a command center somewhere remote? Get command level staff ready to respond?
Well that's def. good thinking, but why waste time sending people here and there when you do know where it's going to hit?

Why waste setting up a command center if the plane could just smash into the ground killing only the pilot?

Same example above for the recall? [/b][/quote]
Yeah... but worst case...it was a good drill.....


Maybe not a "recall" but at least do the "no, you can't leave yet" routine

Getting a comand center set up would be a good idea, and getting the rigs out of harms way would be equally good...


Jon
 
Originally posted by MedicStudentJon@May 13 2005, 11:01 AM
and getting the rigs out of harms way would be equally good...
We'll just have to disagree on this one. There is a reason why stations are where they are and why they are built with materials they are built with.
 
Get in the fallout shelter...

Didn't they see Independence Day?
 
Yes, they could have remained in the station until something happened, but wouldn't it be a good thing to at least have a "heads up" that something MAY happen. That way, at least, they could have started to think about a possible situation and be a little more prepared mentally rather than jump started when the tones went off. I'm sure they have SOPs and protocols in place; however, when a situation like that occurs - it just would have been plain nice to know. What's the harm in giving a few minutes prep time to the people who will ultimately deal with and possibly die in an event like that. Just give them some notice - That's what I would prefer. :)
 
Originally posted by Firechic@May 13 2005, 12:41 PM
Yes, they could have remained in the station until something happened, but wouldn't it be a good thing to at least have a "heads up" that something MAY happen. That way, at least, they could have started to think about a possible situation and be a little more prepared mentally rather than jump started when the tones went off. I'm sure they have SOPs and protocols in place; however, when a situation like that occurs - it just would have been plain nice to know. What's the harm in giving a few minutes prep time to the people who will ultimately deal with and possibly die in an event like that. Just give them some notice - That's what I would prefer. :)
Agree 100%. That's why I questioned whether dispatch knew what was going on or not. If so, they could have at least done an informational page across the radios. Or at least do a page with a "Code White" or something to mean, "Start puckering up. Something may happen and we don't know where, but something may happen."

:lol:
 
Originally posted by Chimpie@May 13 2005, 12:45 PM

about DC or their SOPs, should have stayed in station until something happened.
Washington DC with SOP's .. sounds a bit weird.. I think they are written in pencil.. to add or make changes as they need....


There are many time we (volly rs) are toned for stand by your station... I would think that is all they would have needed to do.. being there stations a always ready to go... a simple toning .. to be ready to respond... For a airplane type responce.... then then know what just not were... ... after a few min's tone.. all station can stand down..... it's really simple.. but being it's the goverment it can become diffacult......to many forms to request toning....
 
Thats crap. They should have been told what was going on.

I mean, these are the people that you're going to count on if something does happen, and they're letting them come in blind. Thats just supid.
 
The USSS has taken over all Emergency response for the white house, so notifying them was completely unnecessary, this is just more political fallout since they were shown the door with elevated security.
 
The white house isn't the only target....Capitol, Smithsonian..... some is USSS, some is Capitol PD, some is DC.... I stand by the fact that getting the FD rolling into "safe" staging areas, instead of in stations by the Mall or Gov't bldgs.....


Jon
 
Okay, Jon, the Smithsonian isn't a high value target, some is Capitol PD, once again, no longer in DC jurisdiction, DC Fire was just upset about being taken out of the loop. They've been upset about that since it happened. Maybe they should of been more proactive on the side of National Security, with TS-SCI investigations on all people designated to respond to the White House, instead of being boxed out of their "marquis" response area. FD doesn't respond, and they're just upset about just having the other crackheads in DC being their primary response area.
 
Luno is correct DCFD E3 has been taken off of the White House run card, a job they have done proudly and well for more than 100 years. Thank God LEO's with no experience and minimal training and even less interest will be doing any firefighting @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. :rolleyes:

Wonder what they are gonna do if they need to 'strike the second'?
 
FD has no need to be informed of this, it was a military, not a civil matter.

There would have been no way to increase response times, only thing that would have been increased is risk to public safety by cowboy firemen speedin all around a congested city thinking that tey have the ability to assess risk factors that they dont have the resources to gather information on.

If it had gone boom, they woud have been dispatched, just as they would have for a bomb, or a transformer explosion.

Who all needs to be informed? FD, PD, Gangleaders, churchgroups, schools, bums on the street? nobody that is not directly involved need be informed of anything until those who are involved know the truth.
 
Originally posted by Luno@May 15 2005, 08:34 PM
Okay, Jon, the Smithsonian isn't a high value target, some is Capitol PD, once again, no longer in DC jurisdiction, DC Fire was just upset about being taken out of the loop. They've been upset about that since it happened. Maybe they should of been more proactive on the side of National Security, with TS-SCI investigations on all people designated to respond to the White House, instead of being boxed out of their "marquis" response area. FD doesn't respond, and they're just upset about just having the other crackheads in DC being their primary response area.
Yes, the Smithsonian isn't a high value target in terms of actually affecting our government, but someone blowing themselves up in front of Air and Space would scare the sh*t out of the american people in general.

Anywhoo...a little off topic....

Back on topic...

DCFD seems pissed that something happened in their sandbox and noone bothered to let them in on the fun.

but at the VERY least, what would be wrong with getting the PD and FD bosses into some sort of unified command center??
 
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