Combat Lifesaver vs. EMT/Medic

[chaz90]

The legend of the mall ninja remains one of the funniest things I've read on the internet. It's a perfect example of a troll turning out to be a comedian that truly missed his calling.

 

[MackTheKnife]

I wasn't attacking anyone, he made a somewhat snyde remark and I responded with truthful, factual information in an effort to express my point better. Yes, I know what "The adhesive pads" are for I am just too damned tired to type it all out and I understand 911 operators are just trying to do a job but this one was truly an idiot. Trying to engage me in conversation which had absolutely no bearing on the emergency at hand, she was complaining about her mouse pad for Christs sake and every time I tried to set the phone down on the hardwood floor (I assume she heard the clunk sound it made) she would yell repeatedly until I picked up the phone again and asked her 'what?' then she would tell me help is on the way again and go back to peeling her mouse pad or w/e

If you want to be a PMC, without quals or experience, contact Dyncorp or Triple Canopy, etc., and get into their WPPS course. If you get in and pass, you might be able to get a PSD job. The EMT level at a minimum is EMT-Intermediate or EMT-Paramedic. Don't start telling anyone if you pursue this about grandma or your shooting expertise. You'll be laughed at and blown off.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

I went through CLS before my third deployment. my instructor was a former member of my reserve unit who was a Paramedic in his civilian job and had reclassed after his first deployment for the Invasion. It was basically WFR with IV and QuickClot class. while deployed, i was a first responder to many VBIED's as the PsyOp Team Leader. I took EMT-B and i would say a CLS in Astan is seeing more trauma, but no MI's or child births. its apples and oranges, IMO.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

I would politely tell you that very few people care about your supposed hyperproficency with firearms, that you would not be a good paramedic if you only try it for the reasons stated, and that you honestly do not sound like a viable medic or security guard.

Seriously, is this real?

Close ambush is under how many meters, what do you do? Far ambush?
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:rofl:

 

[airborne2chairborne]

All I'll ask is why did the Army decide to make NREMT-P a requirement for all 68WF3s after the NG 1/168th DUSTOFF unit showed up and ran clinical circles around the other DUSTOFF units?

Can you provide a citation for that claim?

To quote AMEDD "AMEDD will develop and implement a plan to integrate EMT-P as the minimum professional standard of training for the US Army Flight Medic IOT to improve the medical proficiency of en route care and foster a community of trust ."

 

[airborne2chairborne]

I have a question. I am trying to get into PMC/PSC work and was told the best way to get your foot in the door without SF training or a friend on the inside is to become a medic in addition to my 30+ years of shooting experience. Even though I have been shooting all my life trained by my dad a former cop/marksman and gunsmith, I should also take some combat Handgun, Mid rang rifle, defensive shotgun and precision rifle classes so that I have those skills certified on paper. What I was wondering however is exactly which path to take in the EMT field? My options are EMT - basic, Intermediate and advanced as well as Paramedic but that is more of a college course and comes with math, reading and writing classes attached to it as well. So would EMT Advanced combined with multiple certifications for combat and home/self defense handgun, fighting rifle and 1000m+ precision rifle certifications make me a competitive applicant for PMC/PSC work here and over sea's? By the way I'm 33, yes I have been shooting since I could walk. Everything from MAC-10's to M-14's to Barrett .50 cal's, I have killed an Elk at 867 yards cross canyon shot in wind and rain, been studying martial arts of various styles since I was 7 and I have been shot at a few times and I didn't freeze up or freak out. Anyway I digress, best EMT rating to have to get a PMC/PSC job? or what combinations of certs other than paramedic which will take too long to get, I want to get to work ASAP.

A PMC won't hire you simply for having your paramedic cert. it's great you've been shooting weapons and took a few classes (are they even from reputable sources or are they NRA/local yokal?). You have no real combat training, no combat experience, no high risk VIP security experience... Go check out triple canopy's website, you don't have what PMCs are looking for.

 

[RocketMedic]

Can you provide a citation for that claim?

To quote AMEDD "AMEDD will develop and implement a plan to integrate EMT-P as the minimum professional standard of training for the US Army Flight Medic IOT to improve the medical proficiency of en route care and foster a community of trust ."

They are, and fairly aggressively. Two good friends of mine are scheduled for paramedic school late this year on their return from Astan @ Factory Sam.

 

[airborne2chairborne]

Good stuff, hopefully it'll have a trickle down effect and 68Ws will start to get certed for AEMT

 

[RocketMedic]

I hope so. Ive always thought EMT-A should be NCO prerequisite and senior leaders should be paramedics.

 

[airborne2chairborne]

68W might as well get AEMT during AIT, there's not that much in the scope that's not covered during AIT anyway. It would make sense for NCOs or SNCOs to get their P but most of them don't do anything medical anyway at that point, would kind of be a waste

 

[Ace 227]

With the way the training is now, I think Basic adequately describes what most new 68W10s are actually retaining. Yea you add in the IVs and meds and crics, etc. but a lot of it goes out the window after validations are complete.

I was fortunate enough to be an EMT when I enlisted and that, in my opinion, made a world of difference in what I was able to learn at Ft. Sam.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if whiskeys are to be worthy of the AEMT title, they'll need to extend and overhaul the training pipeline or, as was said, make it an NCO prereq(I like this idea).

 

[airborne2chairborne]

The same knowledge retention could be said for EMTs until they land a job and start doing those skills. I think that's generally the same with everyone though. "if you dont use it you'll lose it"

 

[Ace 227]

While I certainly agree with you, I'm specifically talking about retention while they're still in training. They cram in to 6 weeks what normally takes 3-4 months to learn and then if you fail your national registry, you still move on to LPC and whiskey side while trying to study for the EMT side, making it harder to actually remember anything. All I'm saying is, if we're going to increase the NREMT level given to newly qualified medics, I think the training needs to be more adequate.

 

[Household6]

With the way the training is now, I think Basic adequately describes what most new 68W10s are actually retaining. Yea you add in the IVs and meds and crics, etc. but a lot of it goes out the window after validations are complete.

I was fortunate enough to be an EMT when I enlisted and that, in my opinion, made a world of difference in what I was able to learn at Ft. Sam.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if whiskeys are to be worthy of the AEMT title, they'll need to extend and overhaul the training pipeline or, as was said, make it an NCO prereq(I like this idea).

That would have to be one hell of an overhaul.. How training on medical emergencies are whiskeys actually given? My CLS was almost 100% trauma, not even CPR was taught.. I'm just wondering what would the point be in teaching the medical side to a group of 68Ws who are probably never going to even entertain the idea of, say, geriatric emergencies? Do you know what I mean? Pediatric emergencies, even ped traumas, dialysis patients. That's a side to the EMT that's not useful in a combat scenario, and it would be a waste of time and a waste of money.

"You're going to the 'Ghan, so today lets practice aspirating Humulin."

It's not Uncle Sam's responsibility to prepare any soldier (education-wise, or otherwise) for their life after their ETS. That's what the GI bill is for. Combat medic skills should be combat.

I could possibly see educating a Corpsman, but they have a rate that puts them in hospitals where they treat civilians and dependents. I dunno, is my thinking wrong on this?

 

[Ace 227]

I agree with you. My argument was, since we aren't training the medical side, don't award the AEMT.

 

[Luno]

I could possibly see educating a Corpsman, but they have a rate that puts them in hospitals where they treat civilians and dependents. I dunno, is my thinking wrong on this?

Yep, it's wrong... There is a reason the Army went from Medic to Healthcare Specialist... They treat alot of dependants and civilians.

 

[Household6]

Yep, it's wrong... There is a reason the Army went from Medic to Healthcare Specialist... They treat alot of dependants and civilians.

So there's a new and improved AIT for that MOS? What do you know about it? Longer, shorter, different skills? Have you gone through it? *legit curious*

 

[Ace 227]

Not sure how "new" or "improved" it is, but LPC, Limited Primary Care, is a 1-2 week phase of training between EMT and Whiskey phase where they teach the "hospital skills" I.e. blood draws, vaccinations, med math, etc. Again, my argument is that too many students aren't learning much from this phase because they are either taking a mental breather after having just passed NREMT, or they're stressing over their next attempt at it.

 

[Luno]

LPC was pretty weak as I remember it, the catch all that the Army uses is "your provider will teach you." Basic blood draw, immunizations, meds were covered in LPC.

 

[Household6]

Not sure how "new" or "improved" it is, but LPC, Limited Primary Care, is a 1-2 week phase of training between EMT and Whiskey phase where they teach the "hospital skills" I.e. blood draws, vaccinations, med math, etc. Again, my argument is that too many students aren't learning much from this phase because they are either taking a mental breather after having just passed NREMT, or they're stressing over their next attempt at it.

Yaaaa.. IDK how I feel about that.. It just seems to me that tactical emergency care has it's own special and unique specialized niche that doesn't (or maybe shouldn't?) overlap too much with civvy medical treatments..

I like my coffee black, my cigarettes unfiltered, and my 68Ws trained for combat. Maybe I'm an closed-minded old hag, but I think if E's and O's want to treat civvys, they should join the Navy.