Appeals court upholds firing of Wash. first responders who refused COVID-19 vaccine

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I mean, it is coming from the 9th circuit, whose rulings, over the past 20 years, have been overturned by SCOTUS almost 80% of the time, making them the circuit with the highest percentage of reversals...
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

That's 80% of the 9th Circuit cases granted certiorari by SCOTUS. Only a fraction of appeals of 9th Circuit decisions are actually granted cert by SCOTUS, and that's from only 1% of 9th Circuit decisions that are even appealed. So over 99.9% of the time 9th Circuit decisions stand.

The case in question was dismissed, appealed to the 9th, who let the dismissal stand. It has NOT been appealed to SCOTUS.

I suggest you review Jacobson v. Massachusetts where SCOTUS said states can legally compel public vaccination in outbreaks on pain of fine or imprisonment. That is broader and more impactful than the narrow and limited application in the case in question: merely requiring government medical workers be vaccinated during outbreak for continued employment.
 
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Summit said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

That's 80% of the 9th Circuit cases granted certiorari by SCOTUS. Only a fraction of appeals of 9th Circuit decisions are actually granted cert by SCOTUS, and that's from only 1% of 9th Circuit decisions that are even appealed. So over 99.9% of the time 9th Circuit decisions stand.

The case in question was dismissed, appealed to the 9th, who let the dismissal stand. It has NOT been appealed to SCOTUS.

I suggest you review Jacobson v. Massachusetts where SCOTUS said states can legally compel public vaccination in outbreaks on pain of fine or imprisonment. That is broader and more impactful than the narrow and limited application in the case in question: merely requiring government medical workers be vaccinated during outbreak for continued employment.
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Are the 9th Circuit Rulings Overruled most often.jpg

Note the UNANIMOUS REVERSAL Rate by SCOTUS


www.pacificresearch.org

Supreme Court Hands 9th Circuit Highest Year of Reversals Since 1985

This year, the Supreme Court overturned 15 of the 16 cases originating from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The largest of the circuits, the Ninth encompasses California, Alaska, Arizona, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon, and Washington. However, 10 of...
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hls.harvard.edu

When ‘The Nine’ Overrule the Ninth: O’Scannlain ponders 10 years of reversals - Harvard Law School

Over the past decade, the U.S. Supreme Court has overruled the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in 148 of 182 cases—a “strikingly poor record” for the circuit court, said Ninth Circuit Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain ’63 in a talk at Harvard Law School on September 17. The event was...
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I'll just leave these here, there are plenty other articles saying similar/same

Let's be clear, anyone that believes the Rogue, Hate America First, 9th CIRCUS is mainstream/normal, needs to take a VERY LONG, HARD, SOUL-SEARCHING look at themselves, and their beliefs about our country
 
Did you read: "Key takeaway: IF you get a 9th circuit to SCOTUS, you will win 3 times out of 4"

BUT

The vast majority of 9th decisions are NOT even appealed to SCOTUS

SCOTUS REFUSES to hear the vast majority of the 9th decisions that are appealed!

Thus 99.9% of the time, the 9th circuit decision stands because nobody thinks that the ruling should be appealed or SCOTUS doesn't even think the appeal is worth hearing.

Here, the 9th ruled simply upheld a lower courts dismissal by applying a previous SCOTUS decision, I mentioned.

Pasting your AI slop just shows you are not engaging your brain. Did you even read what you pasted or just smugly look for the bias confirming phrases because you believe the largest circuit court in the US is off the rails?

Well? What is it? If they are so wrong, why are the plaintiffs not appealing this to SCOTUS? They are sure to win, according to you!
 
Summit said:
Did you read: "Key takeaway: IF you get a 9th circuit to SCOTUS, you will win 3 times out of 4"

BUT

The vast majority of 9th decisions are NOT even appealed to SCOTUS

SCOTUS REFUSES to hear the vast majority of the 9th decisions that are appealed!

Thus 99.9% of the time, the 9th circuit decision stands because nobody thinks that the ruling should be appealed or SCOTUS doesn't even think the appeal is worth hearing.

Here, the 9th ruled simply upheld a lower courts dismissal by applying a previous SCOTUS decision, I mentioned.

Pasting your AI slop just shows you are not engaging your brain. Did you even read what you pasted or just smugly look for the bias confirming phrases because you believe the largest circuit court in the US is off the rails?

Well? What is it? If they are so wrong, why are the plaintiffs not appealing this to SCOTUS? They are sure to win, according to you
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First, I usually don't use AI, however what I posted footnoted where the info was from, that made it "useable" for me

Second, we obviously read the same thing (IF you actually read what I posted) and do NOT get the same information from it

What you said, in response to my post, is NOT about what I posted, you REALLY need to reread both, and do a little thinking/soul-searching

Listen, I get it, you believe in what you believe in, and I believe what I believe in, we're likely NOT going to agree

You have a great day
 
Your position is that because less than 0.1% of the time, SCOTUS reverses the 9th, the 9th is therefore crazy and wrong and must also be wrong here. That conclusion does not logically follow. What is your basis? That you apparently don't like what they decided? Well, neither did the plaintiffs... and yet, the case in question is NOT being appealed to SCOTUS, which they would obviously do if they thought there was a chance.

Your response was: "I see you pointed out that I missed the facts and lost the logic. Since I have no counter argument, I am going to declare this an ideological difference, take my ball, and go home."

Yea... nice one... the facts are the facts bud... has nothing to do about "agreeing." Sorry that is an issue for you.

Again, the 9th was NOT wrong here, neither was the district court. The ONLY way they would be wrong is if it was appealed, and SCOTUS granted cert, and then SCOTUS decided that they were going to overturn over 100 years of jurisprudence. Jacobson v. Massachusetts was a 7-2 decision from 1905!
 
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Meh… Just ignore the 9th until it’s set in stone…like we all do.
 
Summit said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

That's 80% of the 9th Circuit cases granted certiorari by SCOTUS. Only a fraction of appeals of 9th Circuit decisions are actually granted cert by SCOTUS, and that's from only 1% of 9th Circuit decisions that are even appealed. So over 99.9% of the time 9th Circuit decisions stand.
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That's how all SCOTUS cases are decided... they can choose to hear a case or not... the overwhelming majority of appeals cases are not granted certiorari by SCOTUS; however, when the court does hear the case, the 9th circuit has the highest rate of being overturned... which is EXACTLY what I said. Because you seem to be adding additional irrelevant facts, I will share this picture, which should help you understand:
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as a random aside, appeals courts overturn lower courts less than 20% of the time...
Summit said:
The case in question was dismissed, appealed to the 9th, who let the dismissal stand. It has NOT been appealed to SCOTUS.
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yet... we will see what happens if this case is appealed to SCOTUS.
Summit said:
I suggest you review Jacobson v. Massachusetts where SCOTUS said states can legally compel public vaccination in outbreaks on pain of fine or imprisonment. That is broader and more impactful than the narrow and limited application in the case in question: merely requiring government medical workers be vaccinated during outbreak for continued employment.
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and yet, courts are finding in favor of plaintiffs who were terminated for refusing the vaccine....

www.newsweek.com

Woman Fired For Refusing Covid Vaccine Wins Record $12 Million

A former Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan employee was terminated after declining to get a vaccination in 2021 wins big.
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www.yahoo.com

Appeals courts rules in favor of Mayo Clinic employees fired for refusing to be vaccinated

May 28—ROCHESTER — An appellate court ruling opens the door for five former Mayo Clinic employees fired for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine due to religious beliefs to take their wrongful termination la...
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www.eeoc.gov

United Healthcare Services Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination

CLEVELAND – United Healthcare Services, Inc.
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https://publichealthpolicyjournal.c...t-delivers-huge-win-for-religious-exemptions/, and you can read the decision at https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120825zor_i4ek.pdf

And don't forget, SCOTUS blocked Biden's illegal mandate that all private employee be vaccinated https://www.hcamag.com/us/specializ...vaccine-mandate-for-private-employers/322024; you can read the opinion at https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a240_d18e.pdf

Since you decided to reference a SCOTUS case from 1905, maybe you would rather review something from this century? how about GROFF v. DEJOY, POSTMASTER GENERAL from 2023?
 
The Ninth Circuit today is not in the same galaxy as the same court, say, 20 years ago.
 
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