Paramedic-led research

[JPINFV]

The problem with looking just at authorship is that the important thing is where the author is.

1st author? Main person.

2nd and 3rd, other important people.

After that, it's just a pat on the back. No one besides the person and friends/family cares about the 10th author of a study.

 

[JakeEMTP]

The problem with looking just at authorship is that the important thing is where the author is.

1st author? Main person.

2nd and 3rd, other important people.

After that, it's just a pat on the back. No one besides the person and friends/family cares about the 10th author of a study.

True. Usually research requires the effort of everyone in an EMS agency or unit in a hospital.

But, you can either be part of something that might be read by others and maybe make a difference regardless of getting your name in print or you could continue to complain that there is no research being done.

Alot of people participate in research and healthcare everyday and don't expect pats on the back. This is what I mentioned earlier about the "what's in if for me" mentality of EMS which keeps many on the sidelines being more concerned about what nursing is doing rather than seeking a game to participate in.

 

[Veneficus]

Obviously you don't read the journals very often or bother to see who the authors are. Maybe if you did you would not have to backpeddle so much.

Actually, I do read studies for what I am interested in or assigned to.

The thing is, they are all written by real doctors.

Nobody would even let me cite a study written by a nurse. I would be laughed at and then told never to do it again.

Citing nonmedical (physician or medical scientist) sources is akin to citing wikipedia in clinical research.

 

[Veneficus]

The problem with looking just at authorship is that the important thing is where the author is.

1st author? Main person.

2nd and 3rd, other important people.

After that, it's just a pat on the back. No one besides the person and friends/family cares about the 10th author of a study.

I am the jack of all trades

The main guy, other important people, and I get a pat on the back...

I thought acknowledgements were the pat on the back? Oh well.

 

[JakeEMTP]

Actually, I do read studies for what I am interested in or assigned to.

The thing is, they are all written by real doctors.

Nobody would even let me cite a study written by a nurse. I would be laughed at and then told never to do it again.

Citing nonmedical (physician or medical scientist) sources is akin to citing wikipedia in clinical research.

I guess we now know how you voted on the poll.

Paramedics and Nurses are both able to do excellent research. The Paramedics in other countries do have the advantage due to higher education requirements and research being part of their program. But, that is not to say that some in the US have not published some good research. I referenced some EMS journals here for another forum member to read. Since you are posting on an EMS forum you at least should be respectful enough to see what a profession, EMS and nursing, is all about before just blasting them. That includes the EMTs who also have something to offer even if they are not lead on a project. Research can cover a wide variety of topics and I don't think you really see the bigger picture especially as it pertains to EMS.

Believe it or not but doctors and nurses (and Paramedics/EMTs) work together for the benefit of the patient. As the nursing practice evolves, the more observant doctors are aware. They are also aware of the research for wound prevention/care, VAP and may other bedside practices from which they can develop their own guidelines for treatment. If you ever get the opportunity to work in a hospitlal even as a tech you will be able to see the dynamics between professions. It a doctor is clueless about what the bedside care provider is capable of, it will reflect in his or her ability to care for the patient efficiently and effectly. This is no different than the many discussions about EMTs and Paramedics who complain their medical director or the ER doctors do not know what they do.

 

[Veneficus]

I voted they should be leading research.

However, I agree at the present time, there are many barriers that have to be overcome.

The very worst thing that could happen is it could wind up like nursing research.

I guess we now know how you voted on the poll.

Since I posted it on the first page, It would seem reasonable everyone knows?:unsure:

Paramedics and Nurses are both able to do excellent research. The Paramedics in other countries do have the advantage due to higher education requirements and research being part of their program. But, that is not to say that some in the US have not published some good research

I find it strangely amusing you would pretend to lecture me on what paramedics in other countries do or don't. I would be very curious to know what countries you have participated in EMS in.

I referenced some EMS journals here for another forum member to read. Since you are posting on an EMS forum you at least should be respectful enough to see what a profession, EMS and nursing, is all about before just blasting them.

I wasn't blasting them.

I was stating a fact.

That includes the EMTs who also have something to offer even if they are not lead on a project. Research can cover a wide variety of topics and I don't think you really see the bigger picture especially as it pertains to EMS..

Really?

How about this for a big picture?

Until EMS providers in the US actually have some respectable level of education, nobody outside of a very small community affiliated with EMS is going to take their research seriously.

Having done quite a bit of research and publishing myself, I can tell you that it really sucks when you spend a lot of time and effort on things that nobody is ever going to read or is not going to change practice.

Believe it or not but doctors and nurses (and Paramedics/EMTs) work together for the benefit of the patient.

I never said they didn't. But having seen nursing around the world, I can tell you it really benefits the patients more when nurses actually perform the tasks that made nursing a highly respected profession and not see that basic care as a tech level job beneath them.

I have both taken blame for and extended considerable credit to the nurses I have worked with. Because they need to be able to do their job without worrying about getting in trouble for simple things as well as get some recognition for what they do.

My pointing out that nursing research is not respected because of its largely overt bias is not an effort to degrade anyone. But the simple truth is they are not winning hearts and minds with it. It needs to be improved. But that is for their professional leaders to worry about, not me.

As the nursing practice evolves, the more observant doctors are aware. They are also aware of the research for wound prevention/care, VAP and may other bedside practices from which they can develop their own guidelines for treatment.

I will not get into the inadequecy of wound care among nurses. It is a pet pieve of mine and a complex topic.

Nursing practice "evolves" largely in the US, with nurses more and more attempting to play doctor and less and less focusing on the core value of nurses.

It is not the same in other nations. Including developed Western ones.

They focus on nursing and they are both respected and appreciated for it. That is even with thier advanced level of education.

I do know nurses that work in EMS throughout Europe and I can say that the advanced education that nursing has established along with some prehospital skills and training, makes them outstanding prehospital providers that US EMS should emulate.

But before we start talking about performing research, US EMS first needs to overcome the obstacles it has placed for itself.

If you ever get the opportunity to work in a hospitlal even as a tech you will be able to see the dynamics between professions.

You keep saying this in many of your posts, if you are trying to insult me, it is not working.

It a doctor is clueless about what the bedside care provider is capable of, it will reflect in his or her ability to care for the patient efficiently and effectly. This is no different than the many discussions about EMTs and Paramedics who complain their medical director or the ER doctors do not know what they do.

I like to take it a bit further than the benefit of the doubt on what the mean provider of a given discipline is "supposed" to be capable of and get right into knowing what the individuals are capable of.

Strangely enough, I don't hear too many complaints from my nurses or my patients.

My work speaks for itself.

 

[JakeEMTP]

Strangely enough, I don't hear too many complaints from my nurses or my patients.

My work speaks for itself.

Your nurses?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

With all the time you spend on the forums I am surprised you find time to work unless it is a very slow station.

 

[Aidey]

If you were actually a part of a team you would know that team members commonly refer to each other in a possessive manner. "I'll have to call my doctor" or "My nurse will be in to check on you in an hour".

 

[MrJones]

Although a good :censored:-measuring contest is all kinds of fun, isn't it about time for the 2 of you to just agree to disagree and move on?

 

[Veneficus]

Your nurses?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

With all the time you spend on the forums I am surprised you find time to work unless it is a very slow station.

My nurses.

I am on vacation.

 

[usalsfyre]

Your nurses?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

With all the time you spend on the forums I am surprised you find time to work unless it is a very slow station.

For a fire medic you sure seem to
know a lot about areas of medicine beyond EM...care to share where you got your experience?

 

[Sandog]

For a fire medic you sure seem to
know a lot about areas of medicine beyond EM...care to share where you got your experience?

As admirable as it is to display your information, I would be very wary about posting your personal info on the net, cyber criminals can do a lot of damage. I recently had my Yahoo mail account cracked and spammed half the planet.

Just saying, caution.

 

[Aidey]

There is a difference between displaying publicly available information and admitting your experience without identifying yourself. JakeEMTP has claimed to be a CCEMT-P fire medic in the past, but they are speaking as if they are an authority on in hospital care who knows more about hospitals than Vene.

 

[Sandog]

There is a difference between displaying publicly available information and admitting your experience without identifying yourself. JakeEMTP has claimed to be a CCEMT-P fire medic in the past, but they are speaking as if they are an authority on in hospital care who knows more about hospitals than Vene.

I am just saying that Kyle may not want to post all his personal info on this forum. I never questioned his validity and really think posting personal info opens you to cyber attack. Then again I am paranoid seeing how someone tried to charge $5000. on one of my credit cards via the internet. Luckily BofA caught the suspicious activity and closed my account. Cyber criminals are tireless and very good at what they do.

 

[Aidey]

Unless Kyle is using his paramedic cert number as a password I don't think that the information in his sig is a threat.

 

[usalsfyre]

The info in my sig is available on the BCCTPC so I'm hosed either way lol.

 

[JakeEMTP]

For a fire medic you sure seem to
know a lot about areas of medicine beyond EM...care to share where you got your experience?

Already told you in the iStat discussion.

The guy who runs this site works for the ISP so he has all of the info.

The rules in this forum never said anything about giving out personal information.

 

[JakeEMTP]

Unless Kyle is using his paramedic cert number as a password I don't think that the information in his sig is a threat.

Since some of his posts are not always at their best, anyone in his agency or future employers can read them and get alot of info from them to use however they feel. This forum is like a never ending blog and sometimes way too much info is posted about recent calls and serious errors. Some think they are anonymous but have posted their photos in uniform next to their company's truck. Uncharted territory with stuff popping up on the internet being used in court. With just the info given by Kyle anyone can surf up his address and even see where he lives with the google software. Personally I would not want to make my family that available to some on this website either posting or lurking.

As for Vene, he shouldn't make comments if he can back them up or does not want to be questioned about them.

There are forums to post your real name on but this one is definitely not it.

Why are you wanting my personal info Aidey?

If someone paying attention to all of those IFT transfers whether ALS or CCT one does in a career they can learn alot. If you respect the staff in the ED or ICU or anywhere your patients are, you might be surprised at what you can learn. What I see here is a lack of respect for all other professions and EMTs by just a few.

 

[usalsfyre]

Since some of his posts are not always at their best, anyone in his agency or future employers can read them and get alot of info from them to use however they feel.

I stand by what I've done, both my work and my post. If you look through my history my progression as a provider and a person should be fairly obvious.

This forum is like a never ending blog and sometimes way too much info is posted about recent calls and serious errors. Some think they are anonymous but have posted their photos in uniform next to their company's truck. Uncharted territory with stuff popping up on the internet being used in court. With just the info given by Kyle anyone can surf up his address and even see where he lives with the google software. Personally I would not want to make my family that available to some on this website either posting or lurking.

My name is printed on my shirt. I introduce myself to people I transport daily. Given that it's not exactly hard to find me even without the small amount of info on the forum.

As for Vene, he shouldn't make comments if he can back them up or does not want to be questioned about them.

Pot, meet kettle...

There are forums to post your real name on but this one is definitely not it.

And why exactly would that be, other than past history biting you?

Why are you wanting my personal info Aidey?

I don't think anyone wants your personal info. Simply your credentials . Just to establish your background, seeing as how we've had several prominent issues of fraudulent identity and certain parts of your story don't seem to match up.

If someone paying attention to all of those IFT transfers whether ALS or CCT one does in a career they can learn alot. If you respect the staff in the ED or ICU or anywhere your patients are, you might be surprised at what you can learn. What I see here is a lack of respect for all other professions and EMTs by just a few.

I have a huge amount of respect for MOST of those I work around. There's idiots in every area though.

 

[usalsfyre]

Already told you in the iStat discussion.

The guy who runs this site works for the ISP so he has all of the info.

The rules in this forum never said anything about giving out personal information.

Actually you only vaguely hinted about being a new CCEMT-P. Your statements don't fit with this at all.

If your not willing to stand behind your work there will be those who (rightfully) discount everything you say.