Does anyone have a US Coast Guard Medical Person in Charge Cert?

[PNWMedic]

I'm not the one over reacting here; I'm simply trying to tell you that you are misreading posts, have a rude attitude, and have no idea as to what this post was actually about.

Okay First, as for what Flight LP said; Yes for certain procedures and for medications and ALS techniques, medical direction is needed. I never said otherwise; I simply was stating what the course covers. And as for what Flight LP was saying about medical companies (ie. remote medical) he is inaccurate about that, as there are some jobs through medical companies like remote medical that hire Wilderness EMT’s for work under supervision of a physician, and regardless it was irrelevant because those companies don’t usually post medics on commercial vessels, and I never said they did, all I said was that I got my education from a medical company called remote medical.

Next, I have no idea as to what you are reading because no where have I ever said there are specific medical officer jobs that don’t require the medical officer to be part of the crew; doing crew duties. You have just seemed to keep on bringing this up even though no one ever said that.

Next, your comment “fishing with uncle buck doesnt count” I find as insulting; I have been on mid-size tall ships and charter boats all throughout my life.

Obviously the only reason you are on here is to make yourself feel superior to everyone else, and for self gratification, and have at it, I’m sure you are a self recognized expert in everything, you may have 100 PhD’s for all anyone knows. I however don’t call myself an expert, I have just said what is the truth.

 

[Flight-LP]

Actually I think it is the other way around, and that you do not know what you are talking about in regard to this manner. Yes companies like Remote Medical do utilize Paramedics with wilderness protocol to work as remote medics, but just for FYI they also have several openings for EMT-B’s with wilderness protocol as remote medics. Although that’s not the point, from the aspect of a maritime medical officer; as for medical direction the company then runs the commercial vessel already has a contract with a physician for medical direction and standing protocols, and yes with this certification; and medical direction, I am able to utilize these skills and techniques within compliance of my certification on a commercial vessel.

Also you seem to think that every commercial vessels only go to companies such as Remote Medical, Frontier Medical etc. but actually in the real world they do not for maritime medics. (and where you got remote medical from I don't know, all I said was that is where I got my education) Many times the medical officers on many vessels only maintains a first responder level medical education; and sometimes an EMT-B level education. For the most part commercial vessel medical officers are the crew member on the vessel with the highest level of medical training. And coming from several people I know, I have been told that if you have an USCG MPIC Certification and apply, it is fairly easy to get a job as a medical officer. So I don’t mean to offend you, but its you that doesn’t really have a good sense of reality when it comes to maritime and remote medical care.

You have not offended me as you lack the capability to do so. You are correct in your assertation that some vessels have a crewmember perform these duties. This was never contested. My point is that you have this belief that you are going to walk into a company and instantly become a medical officer. Thats where your reality becomes delusional. Two points that should be made. To start, if you are the low man on the totem pole, you are a laborer and will be abused to the maximum capability by your hierarchy. Either as a roustabout, roughneck, deckhand, what ever you will be; you will be worked to your max. You will not have time to play medical officer and will quickly find that Bubba Joe, who has been on the rig / ship for 2 years, already does the job as he was a volunteer whacker back home. Second point is, and please pay attention to this detail, NO ONE on your vessel is going to let you near them unless they trust you. Given your recent abrasive diarrhea of the mouth, I see that as being an issue. As you have not experienced the remote "family", you may have difficulty understanding this point, but ask anyone who is or has been in this environment and they will tell you, you must fit into the family or you will not last.

My point was, and still is, that most company's that contract and staff medical providers in the remote arena are seasoned and veteran Paramedic's, RN's, and NP / PA's. Not someone who took a couple of "cool" courses. It was an attempt to have you look closer at your goal and identify the feasibility of it.

As a current remote duty medic, one that began working offshore on both rigs and vessels back in 1998 (after working as a military medic / security specialist) , I do have a firm understanding of "how it works". Much more so than you probably ever will. I currently work with former Remote Medical MRSG medics. Not to mention former ISOS, Dyncorp, Triple Canopy, Armour Group, Aegis, and Blackwater remote operators. It seems that your opinion differs from their facts. Not one of them sees your vision being a reality without significant furthering of your education and maturity level. And FYI, none us us, Remote Medical staff included could find your remote EMT-B positions. Perhaps you could enlighten all of us.

For your reference.............. http://www.remotemedical.com/About-Us/Employment

Again good luck with your endeavors.......................

 

[Jon]

Ok.

This isn't going anywhere productive right now.

Thread on Time-out!

 

[uscgk9]

What is a USCG MPIC??????

What type of unit are you at?

 

[Jon]

What is a USCG MPIC??????

What type of unit are you at?

http://www.emtlife.com/showthread.php?t=8055&highlight=MPIC

 

[PNWMedic]

Hey USCGK9, well there is a lot of debate on here from some members that do not have the certification as to what they believe it is verses what the USCG says it is. But long story short, it a civillian maritime medical certification, for providing medical care abroad commercial vessels.

 

[KEVD18]

Hey USCGK9, well there is a lot of debate on here from some members that do not have the certification as to what they believe it is verses what the USCG says it is. But long story short, it a civillian maritime medical certification, for providing medical care abroad commercial vessels.

thats a pretty tempting piece of bait to put on a hook.

i'll pass at this one and be a good boy though.

signed,
a real mariner

 

[PNWMedic]

KEVD, all I said was that it is a civillian maritime medical certification from the USCG, and I don't think even you can deny that. And it was not "bait" nor do I want to spend my time arguing with you, it was a question to me as to what it was, so lets just agree to disagree, and not get into this again, you have your opinions and beliefs, and you are welcome to them but this is not the place to argue about certifications.

 

[rchristi]

Here is the Coast Guard Description, Go to the link and check out the 9-99 letter.
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/mmic_policy.asp
I am not sure if I can figure out if it is a stand alone certificate or if it is an add on to some other mariner credential

 

[KEVD18]

KEVD, all I said was that it is a civillian maritime medical certification from the USCG, and I don't think even you can deny that. And it was not "bait" nor do I want to spend my time arguing with you, it was a question to me as to what it was, so lets just agree to disagree, and not get into this again, you have your opinions and beliefs, and you are welcome to them but this is not the place to argue about certifications.

uuuummmm.....i passed on the opportunity to mix it up with you again and now you try to drag me back in again. its getting mighty hard not to nibble...

Here is the Coast Guard Description, Go to the link and check out the 9-99 letter.
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/mmic_policy.asp
I am not sure if I can figure out if it is a stand alone certificate or if it is an add on to some other mariner credential

heres how this lays out. every commercial must have a mpic. this person usually has other jobs. sometimes its the master, some times one of the mates, some times(rarely) one of the deckies will be the onboard medic. very few companies sail with full time medical personnel onboard. cruise ships do, but they are md's and rn's. some commercial vessels that are "high risk" will hire a full time medic(drill ships come to mind here). but by and large the mpic is also part of either the deck or engineering department and that is where they earn their money. if an emergency comes up, they handle it but other than that they are hard at work elsewhere.

its an add on. its not a bad one to have if your in the business already, but nobody really gets into the maritime business to be a medic.

with one exception, i have medically outranked every mpic i have sailed with. all that is required to be the mpic is that cert. you cant sail on just an mpic card. every person working on a vessel must be a documented mariner(i.e. in possession of a valid merchant mariners document or license). its a pretty useless cert for someone not working on a vessel, and for someone who only has an entry level ticket. the mpic is more often than not the c/m or 2/m.

also: most vessels have nothing more than a basic galls first in bag. unless they have a dedicated medic/md/rn you wont often find als stuff. no drugs stronger than tylenol. nothing more invasive than a thermometer.

 

[PNWMedic]

Yes it is a stand alone certification, as I have said previously. As I have said before it is a certification, or a stand alone certification. I really have no idea as to why everyone is still debating this. I think the fact we can all agree on, even KEVD, is that the USCG MPIC Certification is a civilian medical certification for maritime medicine aboard commercial vessels.

And some folks may have their own opinions, but as the only certified USCG MPIC (which seems to mean I have no knowledge of my own certification), My knowledge is that the USCG MPIC certification is a civilian maritime medical certification, It is training for maritime medical officers aboard commercial vessels. And the training encompasses a higher level of training then a typical EMT course, and as part of the training, USCG MPIC Candidates must show proficiency in BLS, and more advanced medical skills such as IV Administration, Pharmaceutical Administration, Advanced Airways, Suturing, Minor Dental Procedures, as well as other skills. These facts are directly from my USCG MPIC Training Manual. Why this whole debate of whether or not a certification is actually a certification, or who has been on more ships then who makes absolutely no sense what so ever. When I started this whole topic, I was just wondering if anyone else had the USCG MPIC Certification, I was not looking to start a huge argument, can we just agree that nobody else has this certification, so this whole topic is now pointless?

 

[PNWMedic]

uuuummmm.....i passed on the opportunity to mix it up with you again and now you try to drag me back in again. its getting mighty hard not to nibble...



heres how this lays out. every commercial must have a mpic. this person usually has other jobs. sometimes its the master, some times one of the mates, some times(rarely) one of the deckies will be the onboard medic. very few companies sail with full time medical personnel onboard. cruise ships do, but they are md's and rn's. some commercial vessels that are "high risk" will hire a full time medic(drill ships come to mind here). but by and large the mpic is also part of either the deck or engineering department and that is where they earn their money. if an emergency comes up, they handle it but other than that they are hard at work elsewhere.

its an add on. its not a bad one to have if your in the business already, but nobody really gets into the maritime business to be a medic.

with one exception, i have medically outranked every mpic i have sailed with. all that is required to be the mpic is that cert. you cant sail on just an mpic card. every person working on a vessel must be a documented mariner(i.e. in possession of a valid merchant mariners document or license). its a pretty useless cert for someone not working on a vessel, and for someone who only has an entry level ticket. the mpic is more often than not the c/m or 2/m.

also: most vessels have nothing more than a basic galls first in bag. unless they have a dedicated medic/md/rn you wont often find als stuff. no drugs stronger than tylenol. nothing more invasive than a thermometer.

Why are you still arguing that the medical officer position on a ship is rarely a solo job, and is usually a side job of the crew? No body has ever disagreed, but you keep bringing this up over and over and over again. We all know that it is usually a side job of a crew member! WHY DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS NO ONE EVER DISAGREED! And again as an actual USCG MPIC it is not an "add on" it is a certification, there is nothing for it to be an add on to, sure you can call it an addition to your maritime documents, but add on means it is dependent on another certification or credential and it is not dependent on another credential meaning you can have it without having another credential, so therefore it is not an "add on"

So in an attempt to end this useless discusson, Lets go over the facts
*Yes you have been on ships and you have been a medic on ships, but you personally do not have a USCG MPIC Certification
*Yes I have a USCG MPIC certification
*Yes in most cases the medical officer is also a member of the ship's crew, nobody ever disagreed with you.
*Yes smaller vessels and vessels on short term voyages usually don't have too much in the way of on board medical equipment. Nobody ever disagreed with you.
*No a USCG MPIC certification is not dependent on another credential, meaning that you can have it without other maritime credentials or documents
*No I am not currently working aboard a commercial vessel as a medical officer or crew member, and I never said I was.

So please read before you post, and please lets stop with this pointless "argument", and when I say argument I still don't understand why you just keep posting on here that I am wrong when you are for the most part saying the same thing I am saying. Is it that you dislike me? I'm sorry if you dislike me or have a problem with me, but this discussion is pointless. As I have posted above most of the points we both agree on, so there is no reason for you to keep comming on and saying I am ignorant or my own certification, of which I have, and you do not. I never said you were not a good mariner or medical officer, I'm sure you are profficient in medicine as you keep saying, and i'm sure you have been on ships before as you keep saying.

 

[Jon]

Lets move on.

 

[PNWMedic]

Thank you Jon!

Jon, that is exactly what I am trying to say, All I am telling KEVD is that many of the points he keeps bring up, no one disagrees with him on, so there is no reason to continue arguing them and I am trying to understand why he keeps bring them up. So please like Jon and I have said, lets move on. And maybe if possible leave this topic to it's origional purpose, to see if anyone has the actual certification, and to allow them to post about their job while working on a ship as the medical officer (in addition to their crew duties).

 

[KEVD18]

So in an attempt to end this useless discusson, Lets go over the facts
*Yes you have been on ships and you have been a medic on ships, but you personally do not have a USCG MPIC Certification actually, you're the only one who want to admit to having it. i happen to know one of the members here also holds it and is having a blast laughing at your carrying on
*Yes I have a USCG MPIC certification
*Yes in most cases the medical officer is also a member of the ship's crew, nobody ever disagreed with you.
*Yes smaller vessels and vessels on short term voyages usually don't have too much in the way of on board medical equipment. Nobody ever disagreed with you.
*No a USCG MPIC certification is not dependent on another credential, meaning that you can have it without other maritime credentials or documents no, you dont need anything else to get this cert. but without at the very minimum an os/wipe/fh MMD, its completely worthless. the whole point of having it is to be the medic on a ship. without a mmd, you cant sail. thus, the mpic is, for all intents and purposes, dependant on having either a mmd or mml. furthermore, while many als procedure are taught to mpic students, the ONLY place you can practive them is on a vessel making that cert even further dependant on another cert(mmd or mml)
*No I am not currently working aboard a commercial vessel as a medical officer or crew member, and I never said I was.

 

[Jon]

OK... you aren't moving on. You are continuing the discussion.

So...