Pressure Point Techniques

[emskyusho]

Hello All. My name is James Greenwood. I am a developer and trainer of new techniques for EMT personnel using pressure points, rather than "brute force" to help control combative patients, and more.
Perhaps I should explain.
I am a 5th degree black belt (Master Level) of Kyusho Jitsu. Before you get scared by the thought of karate, please understand that one does not need ANY experience in any form of martial arts to use these techniques!
In my seminars and classes, I teach EMS personnel how to safely and effectively restrain a patient using simple methods with just a touch in the right place.
This is very new, innovative, ground-breaking and revolutionary material that is positioned to take the world by storm. These simple techniques can make your job easier and safer for both you and the patient.
I have already trained a number of EMT's and they are all amazed at the effectiveness and simplicity of these non-intrusive methods. This system has been tested and proven. If you are interested in learning more you may contact me directly, or I have a DVD available at http://www.kyusho.com/superstore.htm. I am also available to teach seminars. Please note that I am not just some guy trying to sell something. I have helped many EMT's but it is my goal to help many more with this system that I have been studying for the past 8 years.
Thanks!

[Chimpie]

Welcome to EMTLife!

I know someone who looks forward to talking with you.

[Summit]

Originally Posted by Chimpie

I know someone who looks forward to talking with you.

who oh who could it be

[emskyusho]

Thanks for your interest. I have updated my profile with all of my contact information, including my website (www.kyushokarateusa.com). I'll admit though, the site is in the process of being updated (somewhat overdue). But it is full of lots of interesting information. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at jimgreenwoodkarateusa@hotmail.com. EMS Kyusho will be featured in some EMS magazines in the upcoming year... be watching for it!

[DT4EMS]

Welcome to EMTlife.

Good luck on your endeavor. I think you will find pressure points work well on people who feel pain.

I am totally against teaching pessure points in the field to EMS for anything other than a distration. If pressure points are taught for "control" that is a farce. I have had to fight intoxicated and drugged people in the past...... and being the department's DT instructor I had to try and "prove" certain things worked. Well........... pressure points (aside from a Brachial Stun and the Common Peroneal) were not effective.

We teach pressure points during a DT4EMS class.......... the funny thing is more people than not (avg 60%) have no effect of at least one or more. So my students see the value in them maybe "creating space to escape" but useless in control.

The studies (accepted b the NAEMSP's position paper) state it takes a MINIMUM of 5 people to properly "medically" restrain a person. That needs to be kept in mind while training EMS.

I agree with not teaching brute force. The EMS setting is unlike any other in the world. EMS providers are thrust into numerous types of scenes and situations. Teaching force on force and then to claim self-defense is not always that easy.

It has been through my own experience and research in talking with hundreds of EMS providers the "usual" attacker is usually high ordrugged. Most professional EMS providers to a great job of "customer service" which is the best self-defense. If they are on an unsafe scene they need to work to leave....... period.

Teaching LEO DT or martial arts to an EMS provider, specifically one who does not train on a regular basis, is only setting the provider up for problems........ both on the street and in the courtroom afterwards.

Again good luck. I think you will find that any type of EMS self-defense course will be a huge undertaking. If an EMS provider happens to be a regular student of yours then the point is mute. They already learn the mindset, how to read body posture, how to run and how to take charge of their own physical fitness.

[emskyusho]

As I said before, this material is revolutionary. It is no surprise that very few people know about pressure points, or their potential. First off, let me explain further how this works. Kyusho Jitsu is based on the acupuncture points on the body. When a certain point is manipulated in just the right way, it interrupts the body’s neurological response of the nervous system. The main rule that you have to follow when striking pressure points is to use the correct angle and direction for each point, and how each one is activated by striking, pressing, or rubbing. All of these rules must be followed in order for the pressure points to work. This is why so many people have tried and failed and then say that Kyusho Jitsu doesn't work and it's fake. They are just doing it wrong, don't want to admit it and/or don't realize it.

While I say that this is “new and revolutionary”, I only mean that in the EMS sense, and to Westerners. Kyusho Jitsu actually originated in Okinawa thousands of years ago, but was a very well-kept secret. It wasn’t until Tiaka Oyata brought it over in the 1980’s that anybody outside of Okinawa knew anything about this. I originally began learning Kyusho from GrandMaster George Dillman, and Master D.M. Hurst who were among Oyata’s first American students. Dillman trained alongside Bruce Lee until Lee’s death.

That being said, I understand that there is bound to be some initial skepticism regarding this. People were once skeptical of seat belts, too.

Kyusho can be used as MORE than just a fighting technique. I can teach “hitting”, but in restraint techniques I teach pressing – not strikes. While it is important for EMS personnel to know good self-defense, that’s just a small part. If a patient is flailing their arm and you are trying to insert an I.V. wouldn’t it be nice to be able to hold that arm completely still without injuring the patient? You do not need 5 people to restrain one person. That is what I am teaching.

And in response to your last point, I do not just teach my own students. I hold seminars for EMS personnel, and have never received anything but rave reviews about the progress that I am making. It may be something you have to experience to believe. This really does work, if properly trained. I offer a full money-back guarantee on my seminars. It takes PROPER training to learn Kyusho pressure point techniques – not just one or two random points shown improperly. It takes proper instruction, just as it requires proper instruction to be an EMT or to do anything else.

[DT4EMS]

Please understand I do not doubt your system or “techniques”. What I am saying is that I am a martial artist, a police officer and a paramedic. Those three things are separate.

I was a PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics) Instructor for police officers. You can ask the majority of people I “touch” in training know that I understand what I am doing. But nothing is 100%.
PPCT went through tons of research including that of martial practitioners and western medicine physicians as well. Then PPCT has been on the streets for quite some time. Since it’s adoption, many officers on the street have found many of the pressure points to be ineffective on people that are high or drunk.

I take the training of EMS in pressure points one step further…….. we give them a medical reason “why” something will or won’t work. But to teach “pain compliance” to EMS is heading in the wrong direction. Like I said before, teaching a self-defense seminar is one thing, but to teach the EMS provider is something totally different.

I am all for you training and conducting seminars. I too have taught hundreds of EMS providers in self-defense. I have taught seminars at state level law enforcement conferences as well. My DT4EMS course has been accepted for CEU’s since 1997.

Teaching a pressure point to free someone from (to use South Narc’s term) the “FUT” (Funked up tangle) is only asking for problems. There was a guy from Illinois I met years ago who studied with people like Dillman and took the full power kicks to the groin and throat. Now while I agree very impressive wouldn’t it be better to spend time learning how to “prevent” the power blow from making contact?

We have guys in my school that are SCARS certified, black belts in Judo, Karate and TKD. We also have guys that have traveled and trained in ground fighting. We take these things and blend the thing we find more practical than not. We don’t just “teach” things without “pressure testing”.

This pressure testing has consisted of taking a “technique” and getting another person to get really pumped up and start attacking………. not pre-planned and see “what” comes out under stress. We have thrown out many “techniques” because they have failed in combat (or under stress conditions).

Since fine motor skills decrease or cease to exist under stress, I am always leery of anything that requires pinpoint accuracy for its use.

I say these things because I have had to fight for my life……….for real. I have also researched extensively EMS and self-defense. This is my passion……not just a business. DT4EMS has cost me thousands of dollars and I give away way more than I have ever received.



Your system may be great. I applaud you for training EMS providers. Just realize, just like the UFC proved in the early 1990’s…………. not every centuries old “technique” works in the real world. That is a lesson I had to learn the hard way.

Again, good luck …… I am always interested in hearing what others have to say. I am the constant student.

Here are some pics of "pressure testing"

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Sam, the guy with the blood and knot on his head became a friend after he attended a DT4EMS class. He spent several years in Karate prior to trainign with us. Now he is an active part of spreading the word to other health care providers.

[emskyusho]

This DVD has now been on the market for two weeks. I just thought I would pass along the first feedback I've gotten on it. This is from an EMT:

"Your DVD is good. When I finish making my notes, I'm going to see if I can interest security in it and maybe get it included in the physical training we get. Right now, we just use CPI and that isn't worth much in a real confrontation. The verbal deescalation skills are great but the physical interventions are not."

[jmaccauley]

How long is a typical training seminar? Can you effectively teach a student, with little or no combative arts experience, the correct angle and direction of a pressure point in a relatively short period of time? What would be the liability of a practitioner who inadvertantly causes a stroke in a patient who has a head trauma? Or could that even happen? How effective would those techniques be on a patient exhibiting signs of excited delirium or substance psychosis? I understand that in a violent, life and death attack, anything goes, but what of that unruly patient who needs to be restrained?

I'm asking these questions as an administrator who wants to know what my employees will be trained in and what my liability is.

[jmaccauley]

By the way, have you really been studying martial arts since you were 3?