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Old 02-10-2012, 10:33 AM   #21
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:47 AM   #22
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Sweet god, these people @ my unit do not understand that I am NOT the NREMT! It's not MODS or MEDPROS, I can't write to it!

Why they can't document their training I don't know, but it's annoying.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:49 AM   #23
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Jeez, I hope you're not their training NCO... Between Table VIII validation, and all the MEDIC tables we have to do every year, they should be gtg. Yeah, the hacienda... that was a good time... Well, that and the burger place right off base... The marriott at the riverwalk wasn't bad either.
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:51 AM   #24
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I'll put my 2 cents in since I graduated from "Factory Sam" this past week.

First off, I was a prior EMS coming into the military and have had experience on both the civilian and tactical side of the spectrum as well. Before I went to the company I graduated with, I had to sit things out, with a few other EMTs and Paramedics who were fasting-tracking also, with another company. So we sat in on the EMT side of the course (Yes - NREMT is required. 3 shots or you're reclassed nowadays). Personally, I thought the 6-7 weeks EMT course they were teaching was BS, from the two weeks myself and the other prior EMS had to sit around and watch. The instructors, so-called Paramedics, were alright, but we were questioning alot of what they were teaching. Not to mention, we were correcting them many times, and they would come up to us at the end of class and ask us "Hey did we teach this right?" Also, once I got to our new company when we finally did fast-tracked, I was amazed at how little the other students retained. Needless to say, all of us prior EMS stuck together as most of these kids didn't know what they were doing. Not going to say it's entirely their fault - it's just how the Army does things, not to mention with the budget cuts nowadays.

Now to the Whiskey side - some of it was fun, but it was boring at the same time. All we were really taught was Cric's, IVs (saline and direct line), NCD, a brief overview of intubations (but we never practiced them...), and a few other skills. Our rapid trauma's were heavily focused on HABC guideline and so forth. I think we did close to 40-50 sticks on each other and then 4-5 on final FTX. Yet even with that amount, there were alot of those were still very incompetent at even the EMT side of the game.

Overall - good course, but I barely learned anything. Looking forward to getting to my unit and actually learning alot more. Sad thing is how many folks were actually pushed through and passed - they tried to scare us all the time by saying that "such and such" would fail you out of the course, yet I was amazed at how many people were couldn't even tell you when you should vent a patient made it through...

Trauma, mainly on our side of the business, is sexy, but it gets old. Stop bleeding, secure an airway, shock, fluids - give or take. I, personally, like the medical aspect of EMS. Why I will be getting my civi Medic and then RN.

As far as the "new" flight medic program. It's interesting - it's the big push they're doing now for Whiskeys. I think out of my class, they had 20 or so going into the new course that starts in April or March. Not entirely sure. Hell, even some of our Whiskey instructors are enrolled in the same class as these new Medics are. And some of the instructors have been flight medics for past few years, yet without the EMT-P cert. I was offered a slot, but I decided to turn it down at this time. I wasn't too keen seeing how the military was going to do with getting a typical 1-2 yr course down these guy's throats in 7-8 months. Not saying it will be unsuccessful, but if it is anything like how they teach the EMT-B course for NREMT, I would rather take a civi-course elsewhere. Granted, it is taught at UT-San Antonio, but still.

Anyways - just my thoughts.

Oh and P.S. - hacienda was torn down lol a new "Student Activity Center" is now being built.

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Old 02-19-2012, 09:11 AM   #25
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Good to hear your perspective- what's your duty station? I'm 3-41 IN 1st AD at Bliss.

I'm the SPCIC of training- can't write to MODS because I'm an E4, can't get time to train a lot of our new guys because I'm one of the few licensed on the Stryker MEV, can't teach anything beyond TC3 without getting reamed. Had to teach EFMB textbook crap for two months straight because the platoon leadership got retarded. I have E5s trying to teach ETTs by virtue of a day in BNCOC or ALC, then a PA who doesn't think a line medic should be allowed morphine...

I've got a lot of work to do to get them ready. A few have learned well though.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #26
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Shipping out to CP Casey, Korea (fml...) with 2nd ID in a month for a year tour. Should be interesting, to say the least. Good time to explore and see another culture, though I suppose.

Yea I agree - even in TRADOC spectrum, each E5 and above had a different standard on how they teach and expect things done, which I understand to an extent; but that's the military for you...

I dunno - to be honest, I would've graduated about 25 folks out of the company (about 220 folks). Half of them don't even want to be Medics, and another quarter have a permanent alerted mental status. Only a few I see worthy of actually going hands-on a real patient. Maybe it's my background in civi-EMS, but so far, not entirely too impressed with military medicine. Hopefully it gets better, but so far, I need to see a chiropractor for how much I just shake at my head at the system and many of the folks involved.
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Old 03-17-2012, 08:45 PM   #27
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Shipping out to CP Casey, Korea (fml...) with 2nd ID in a month for a year tour. Should be interesting, to say the least. Good time to explore and see another culture, though I suppose.

Yea I agree - even in TRADOC spectrum, each E5 and above had a different standard on how they teach and expect things done, which I understand to an extent; but that's the military for you...

I dunno - to be honest, I would've graduated about 25 folks out of the company (about 220 folks). Half of them don't even want to be Medics, and another quarter have a permanent alerted mental status. Only a few I see worthy of actually going hands-on a real patient. Maybe it's my background in civi-EMS, but so far, not entirely too impressed with military medicine. Hopefully it gets better, but so far, I need to see a chiropractor for how much I just shake at my head at the system and many of the folks involved.
The best I can tell you is that the Army will give you a combination of the best and worst training you have ever had--- learn how to filter out the ty advice you'll get from burnt-out medics.

Also, don't expect to be trained adequately by your unit. Latch on to your PA and do nothing but ask questions. Don't get upset if you get sniped on something medical, just go home, study, and come back ready for more. Before long, you'll find that your effort pays off.
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I nearly snapped today- I have to teach "all of your paramedic airway stuff, but only how you do it, and you're also going to have to do it in two hours".

That was today. Last week was a brand new SPC trying to pull his rank on a PV2 doing the right thing when he messed up, then complaining I was unfair to expect homework and intelligence from him.

Five more months. .
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:09 PM   #29
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I ran into this post looking for information on how whiskey school used to be because of how stupid easy basic was I thought maybe ait had gotten easier as well. It seems this is the case.
I began ait here at ft Sam a few weeks ago we are just moving into pharmacology and just finished the primary assessment module. Our instructors seem to do a decent job but I have no basis for comparison. There are many incompetent soldiers who don't seem to put forth effort. I hope none of us get cut any slack. I feel our mos requires a full commitment and should never be subject to being filled with warm bodies. I realize I don't know about what's going on yet but well see how ait pans out
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I ran into this post looking for information on how whiskey school used to be because of how stupid easy basic was I thought maybe ait had gotten easier as well. It seems this is the case.
I began ait here at ft Sam a few weeks ago we are just moving into pharmacology and just finished the primary assessment module. Our instructors seem to do a decent job but I have no basis for comparison. There are many incompetent soldiers who don't seem to put forth effort. I hope none of us get cut any slack. I feel our mos requires a full commitment and should never be subject to being filled with warm bodies. I realize I don't know about what's going on yet but well see how ait pans out
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