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falcon-18

11-19-2009, 06:38 AM

Has anybody here worked with the SRCA?

I have seen their job postings, and it is my understanding that they are starting the first state run Helicopter EMS system in the next month (December 2009.)

I have heard they are flying MD 209s, but that is about all the information I know. I was hoping someone who works on the ground over there could provide me with some more details.

Thanks in advance!

First: Welcome to Saudi Arabia and we welcome you to our beloved country and all who want to visit or work in Saudi Arabia
I am sorry for my tardiness. I have read your topic for some time but want to respond to you with answers are correct.

I want to tell you that nothing in the Saudi Red Crescent ambulance helicopter jets now. And that at the beginning of operation nearly two years ago fell one and all of its crew died and after this case, stop by ambulance helicopters. Now, a new ambulatory Bdonzam and I want to show you that in the event of a new news that I will make sure I tell you

I'll tell you what he said, chief operating officer, Dr. Self / Bayouk (It will be used by 28 helicopters, as well as four to six medium-range aircraft to cover the various regions of the Kingdom and coverage of the new service over the next four years, and that the service will start with six aircraft as a first stage this year in both from the Central Region (Riyadh) and the Western Region (Mecca).

He added that the number of crew per aircraft would range from 8 to 10 people, as well as air ambulance, as it is scheduled to be work in the morning followed by the evening after months of starting the service, pointing out that the crew got disadvantages courses are eligible for this work established by the Commission According to regulations in force internationally and the Civil Aviation Authority in the Kingdom)
http://www.aleqt.com/2009/10/24/article_292248.html

that is only what I know.

Sorry for the delay

thanks

falcon-18
omar

schulz

11-19-2009, 04:10 PM

The Saudi Red Cresent looks like a cool job, but I don't know how I feel about giving up beer.

Jon

11-19-2009, 08:07 PM

The Saudi Red Cresent looks like a cool job, but I don't know how I feel about giving up beer.
Or freedom of worship, or many of the other things we take for granted here in the USA.

Aerin-Sol

11-19-2009, 09:35 PM

The Saudi Red Cresent looks like a cool job, but I don't know how I feel about giving up beer.

Yeah, as a queer woman I would never work in Saudi Arabia.
Do they even allow women in their ambulance services?

WTEngel

11-19-2009, 11:04 PM

Thanks for the reply Falcon, I am definitely excited to be coming to KSA and partnering with the nationals to get the helicopter EMS system up and running. I received my contract today, and they are offering me a position as a flight medic. Once I get my medical and visa clearance, I should be on a plane. I am thinking around the 1st of the year...

Now, as far as females working in EMS...

I have heard different rumors about different hospital based ambulance services considering female staff for Ob-Gyn calls and other types of calls where a female patient being treated by a male practitioner would not be possible with respect to Islamic religious and moral beliefs.

Now as far as going over there as a "queer", like you so eloquently put it, that would not be possible given their moral stance on homosexuality.

The Saudi Red Crescent seems to be trying to put together a really top notch helicopter EMS system, with up to 28 helicopters nation wide and 6 fixed wing ambulances. The pay is competitive and from what my contract says, they seem to be treating their expats well. I am definitely enthusiastic to get over there and learn as much as I can about the culture while helping those in need. Definitely a once in a lifetime experience...

Anybody else in the application process?

Aerin-Sol

11-20-2009, 07:32 AM

have heard different rumors about different hospital based ambulance services considering female staff for Ob-Gyn calls and other types of calls where a female patient being treated by a male practitioner would not be possible with respect to Islamic religious and moral beliefs.

Would they have dedicated ambulance drivers for them?

Now as far as going over there as a "queer", like you so eloquently put it, that would not be possible given their moral stance on homosexuality.

Is there something ineloquent about the way I identify? It would be possible, just unpleasant, just as going there as a woman would be.

Seaglass

11-20-2009, 11:44 AM

Do they even allow women in their ambulance services?

I don't actually know, but I think it would depend on whether you were serving actual Saudis or the expatriate communities hosted by oil companies. The latter tend to import their own services, and are supposed to be quite Western, so I wouldn't be too surprised if those had their own EMS which hired and used female EMTs.

schulz

11-20-2009, 11:10 PM

I know the UAE uses female Paramedics for 911, in fact they have there own UAE female paramedic program.
in terms of SRCA, not sure.
In terms of being queer in the middle east... I think that would be an even greater challenge than me going out with out beer for a year. ;-)

Sweety

11-21-2009, 01:24 AM

No problem having sisters here ;-) . :P You will find there are many people in Saudi who drink and play... just have to know where to look

Yes I am in Saudi.

Look carefuly @ contracts by Red cescent they are known to change things are you have landed!!!

Bye Y'all

WTEngel

11-21-2009, 01:44 AM

What changes do they make on arrival? Compensation? Living?

What company are you with in Saudi right now?

alelkins

11-26-2009, 02:30 AM

I am awaiting the offer letter, after having spoken with Dr. Nakity and discussing preliminary issues. I have heard that the "Flight Paramedic" position involves very little flight and lots of ground pounding. I also wonder what the average shift looks like in regards to operations and equipment.

WTEngel

11-26-2009, 03:00 AM

alelkins

11-26-2009, 04:25 AM

Impression from hearsay in the international medic community...nothing more. I too read about the proposed fleet purchase and am excited to have the opportunnity to work in an MD 900 series platform. It will be a BIG change from the Bell 206 I am accustomed to.

Yes, I am an American contractor currently on assignment. The money is great but I miss aeromedical, and my family. Looking forward to sleeping in a real bed with my wife every night again. Not real wild about not wearing shorts in the middle east, but it's a small sacrifice, I suppose. Anything else you can share about the working environment?

WTEngel

11-26-2009, 06:55 AM

I wouldn't listen to the hearsay, I think they are really doing the program right. They attempted to start with 2 helicopters a few years back and had a crash, which set them back a little, but this time they are going to try to be FAR 135 compliant, hiring American pilots with pretty extensive experience, using more experienced crews, etc.

The MD 902 airframe is awesome for EMS. Certainly larger than the 206, and the NOTAR is safe and quiet. I also like the idea of having no tail rotor when working with inexperienced ground crews and locals. I am currently working off of a Sikorsky S76 B airframe here stateside, so I really have nowhere to go but smaller. The cabin configuration on the 902 is similar to the EC 145, which I like. All in all I am really excited to see what they have going, and also knowing I will be one of the first on the ground over there and may have a hand in shaping the program is exciting also.

So when are you hoping to deploy by? I am shooting for early to mid January, if I don't see any bumps in the road to getting my visa.

alelkins

11-26-2009, 08:35 AM

ASAP...there are issues with my current gig, but thats another story. I'm told I have to come back stateside and go to Saudi from there because of the visa, so I'm looking a while regardless.

Have you seen a contract? Have any intel on the job itself?

WTEngel

11-26-2009, 09:11 AM

Check your PM.

schulz

11-27-2009, 12:37 AM

do you know if they will take entry level medics for ground ops? There is no DOD clearance for this right?

WTEngel

11-27-2009, 03:12 AM

Look up SRCA EMS and see what the requirements are. This is not on a military base, so no there is no DoD clearance required. You are basically performing the same duties you do in the states, just in a foreign country where no one speaks your language.

Sweety

11-27-2009, 02:35 PM

Hi y'all

I am in Riyadh, KSA. I am a Critical Care Nurse and have EMS experience EMT-P, currently working at one of the hospitals. I knew some of the expats working in the Red crescent in Riyadh last year. There are more than 3 expats working for them from South African, American, Australian and German. Do you know or have contact with any of the guys already there? Best to get in contact as they will have the best advice on what it is really like.

WTEngel

11-27-2009, 05:30 PM

I knew there was more than 3 total expats working for SRCA, I had heard that there were only 3 from the United States however.

I do not have contact with any expats who have worked or are working there, but if you could forward me their info in PM or forward my info to them, that would be awesome. What hospital are you at in KSA? Have you heard anything about the flight program?

Thanks for the reply, it is nice to actually talk to someone on the ground over there!

rhousewa

11-30-2009, 10:07 AM

I too have just been offered a contract from Dr. Nakity. He seems to be an open man but I find myself having to explain my questions a lot. Get in touch and lets compare notes. Jeff

schulz

12-01-2009, 03:09 AM

rhouse, I am also now in contact with this guy. Not to get off subject but I am down in Portland and went to medic school in Vancouver WA, Did you happen to go to the same program. I had some people from spokane in my class.

In other news I am getting all my paper work in order for RC saudi, still feeling it out.

alelkins

12-01-2009, 04:21 AM

My paperwork pack is coming FedEx so my paperwork journey is just beginning. FedeEx doesnt deliver to Afghanistan so it's going home, them the wife will send to me...

Judy

12-02-2009, 11:28 PM

What gave you the impression that it was mostly ground pounding. Based on what I have seen, they are purchasing 28 helicopters and 6 PC 12 fixed wing ambulances over the next 5 years. I don't know why they would be doing all of that if they intended to put most of the flight medics on the ground.

I received my offer letter and other documents last week and am currently waiting for my visa. Based on what I have heard, they may hire you and extend a conditional job offer as a flight medic, but you still have to go through a skills test and interview with the flight supervisor once you are in country. If they don't like you for flight, they will put you on a regular ground unit. Also, from what I know, there are currently only 3 other western expats on the ground over there.

It is nice to hear from someone else going over. What nationality are you? I see you are in Afghanistan now, are you an American contractor?

Hello All
My husband has been talking with Dr Nakity too. He is a intensive care flight paramedic in Australia. Can you tell me about the general package offered in your contracts and the length of the contract. Have your visa's and travel arrangements been sorted. Is your accom sorted and if so where is it? Do you know anything about living costs and utilities. If you have wife is she going with you? Any other info any of you are happy to share would be appreciated.
Judy

rhousewa

12-03-2009, 10:01 AM

One of the things I have found is that they do not want to give a lot of information until an offer is made. Dr Nakity did give me a wage scale based on my experience in a phone call though and he has been helpful as long as he understands what I am asking for. Contract is one year starting when you arrive in Saudi sign the contract. It is then renewable if both parties agree and is progressive with experience and or time served. They will give a housing allowance if you do not stay in their compound which they advise you to choose. Dr. Nakity stated that his utility costs are less than 100/month but did not say if that was 100.00 US or SAR. He went on to say that the compound has private space for each family and the cost of living would be less than what I pay here in the states. Overtime is available at time and a half if you want it. I have gotten very sketchy numbers of any average call volumes for a unit or for the system. They said that I will be working with an EMT-I on the unit and we will have a translator/cultural advisor with us also. I do not intend to take my wife with me but she may fly over and visit using the allotment of the 3 dependant plane tickets they allow. Make sure that you confirm this before you agree and send a letter of consent to their offer. Hope this helps. Jeff

McLenin

12-03-2009, 12:17 PM

NJmedic3250

12-03-2009, 02:11 PM

NJmedic3250

12-03-2009, 02:18 PM

Hey, I'm new to this forum. I didn't even realize there was 2 other pages of discussion.

NJmedic3250

12-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Sweety

12-03-2009, 03:07 PM

Hi y'all

Just to make it clear I do not work fot the red crescent. I have met some of the guys that work for them on the chase cars. I work in one of the hospitals as a RN however am EMT-P certified. The guys I know have said the work is most trauma (road), they work with a Saudi EMT who has minimal or "some" training. I don't know about translator or cultural advisor...bit far fetched. Wow if they fly your family out to Riyadh for a visit that would be great. Most employers only do it if the family is staying. Check that point. I know they have all complained about protocols or lack of and equipment available. They are a pretty good bunch of guys, social and friendly (some cute too gals)!!! I am hoping to meet the US guys soon, as yet I haven't had the opportunity.

Living here is different to the US and remember it is not the US, things are done different. Be opened minded or you wont survive. It is cheaper to live depending on lifestyle. I do not drive because I don't have the Saudi requirement... A Penis!!! The roads are good the road users...not!! I am single so do not know costs for schools although friends say it is expensive. A common practice here is that Saudis like to glamourize things and won't give you all the facts, tell half truths etc. Do your reading on the www and try and contact people that have been here before or are here presently. I don't know if any of the guys use this forum though. When us females are allowed to work on the cars I will consider applying until then I like my ICU.

Judy

12-03-2009, 03:10 PM

Judy

12-03-2009, 03:16 PM

I too have just been offered a contract from Dr. Nakity. He seems to be an open man but I find myself having to explain my questions a lot. Get in touch and lets compare notes. Jeff

Me again Jeff. Could I (on behalf of husband) be privy to the notes you shared. Do I send a private email?? Or is this too forward.
Judy

WTEngel

12-03-2009, 11:23 PM

I too am a little skeptical about the position. There is a lot I am still unsure about (no matter how many questions I ask Dr. Nakity). Main thing is the living conditions. I have trying to figure out what the accommodations are going to be like. Is it going to be a western compound or is it going to be an apartment building in the middle of the city? Also, I would like to hear everyone's opinion on their offer. Happy with it? Confident in the position? Personally I am on the fence about the whole thing. The "conditional flight position" was extended to myself as well. However, I have no prior aeromedical experience. I am wondering if this is a recruitment tactic to obtain the manpower they are looking for in a potentially undesirable job.

As far as the conditional flight position is concerned, I know for a fact that they have purchased new helicopters and entered into a long term contract for the purchase of 28 helicopters over the next 5 years. You can do some research on google and actually find the news articles from Saudi Arabia discussing this subject. Also, I have spoken with a pilot who has been working with the recruitment company that is securing the pilots for this position (Action Aviation.)

Now, the purpose for making the flight position conditional is two fold. First, I currently work for a flight service, and getting the opportunity to evaluate people's skills and abilities before putting them on a helicopter is imperative. I would not want to work on a bird with someone before I got to know them clinically. There is a lot of trust and team work that goes in to aeromedical calls, because the risk is greater and the patient's are more critical than ground transports. The second reason probably has to do with the fact that we all know someone can look great on paper, and then when you see them in person, you realize there resume may have a lot of credentials, but no real substance. Anyone who has worked in EMS long enough to qualify for a flight position has worked with the "book smart" paramedic who doesn't have common sense to save his/her own life. The conditional flight position is the safest way to do it, and frankly, I wouldn't go any other way.

Dr. Nakity is a recruiter, and the situation on the ground is fluid. Combine that with a slight language barrier, and I can understand why it is hard for him to confidently answer questions. Also, he doesn't live in the compound, he wouldn't know what it is like. The compound is brand new. We will be the first to live there.

I encourage everyone to visit www.emssaudiarabia.com and check the FAQ page. It has been updated in the last two weeks with some great information.

WTEngel

12-03-2009, 11:32 PM

Me again Jeff. Could I (on behalf of husband) be privy to the notes you shared. Do I send a private email?? Or is this too forward.
Judy

Jeff, I am happy to answer everyone's questions, but I get tired of repeating myself. Feel free to share my e mails to you if you like. If anyone has any questions I haven't answered I am happy to answer those also.

I am not the know all end all about the SRCA, but I do seem to be the furthest along in the process amongst all of us here. I also have the unique perspective of talking to a few guys on the other half of the aeromedical side, Action Aviation. Action Aviation is the company who is supplying the helicopters and also headhunting for the pilots to fly them. One of the pilots I currently fly with put me in touch with his personal friend, who is in talks with Action Aviation for a pilot contract. He gave me some good information about how the safety and all was going to be implemented for the flight crews. It doesn't have much to do with our (medical personnel) contracts, but it really put me at ease knowing that they are really putting together a tight safe operation.

FYI, they are expanding the ground service significantly (from 60 stations to 200 in the next 5 years I believe) so it should be nice for you guys who qualified for the flight service but don't have any flight experience to know that you have a safety to fall back on. It would suck to leave your job here and get over there, find out you can't cut it on the helicopter, and then be sent back to nothing. At least you can work the ground over there.

Check out www.flickr.com and search "saudi red crescent". There is a German expat who has posted quite a few pictures from his trip over there, I don't know him personally, and the captions are in German, but it looks like he had fun, and it looks like they have mostly new equipment.

Cheers!

WTEngel

12-03-2009, 11:36 PM

I am so happy I was able to find you guys. I am a paramedic/ff from Cincinnati. I received the job offer and document package. People that are going, we need to stay in touch!!! I am very skeptical about the whole trip, its so far away.

It is a huge adventure and definitely taking a risk leaving your home and all here in America. I am super excited and I can't wait to get over there.

As with anything, I really have a feeling this job is what you make of it. I am the type who can make friends anywhere and I can have fun as long as I am in good company.

WTEngel

12-03-2009, 11:42 PM

Sorry for the multiple posts, but as soon as I answer one post, I see another.

I saw somebody mentioned that you will be paired with a Saudi EMT (or EMT-I) and also a driver and cultural advisor.

I am under the impression that the EMT partner and the driver/cultural advisor/translator are one in the same. The chase cars are staffed with a paramedic (expat) and a Saudi national who is certified as an EMT or EMT-I who can translate, drive, and keep his EMT partner out of trouble when it comes to culturally sensitive situations.

Falcon-18 is on this forum, and he is a Saudi national, who works for the SRCA. I am not sure if he staffs an ambulance, or drives with a paramedic, but his name is Omar, and he is extremely nice and easy to talk to. I encourage you to PM him if you like, he is very pleasant, and I am looking forward to meeting him.

schulz

12-03-2009, 11:47 PM

WTEngel

12-03-2009, 11:58 PM

yes the FAQ was updated a couple weeks ago and has a lot of good info. Including the information that only 3 U.S. paramedics where there as of 2 weeks ago. could whoever has the email that was sent pm me and ill give you my email addy. If you don't mind forwarding it that is.

Regards!

I spoke with contact of mine a few months back (he is a recruitment manager for CHS, a private staffer for hospitals in Saudi, EMS in Kuwait, Afghanistan, etc.) and he told me about the 3 westerners situation. Judging from the amount of views and replies to this thread, I would say it is clear that they are trying to change that. I count 4 westerners so far who are in the process?

schulz

12-04-2009, 12:25 AM

I was suppose to go to Kuwait with CHS but the security clearance got my friend and I tied up in months of red tape and problems.

schulz

12-04-2009, 12:28 AM

Oh by the way I also emailed the German on flicker who appears to work for SRCA. Ill let yall know if he gets back to me

WTEngel

12-04-2009, 12:43 AM

Oh by the way I also emailed the German on flicker who appears to work for SRCA. Ill let yall know if he gets back to me

I don't believe he works there anymore. He uploaded a picture of himself drinking some smuggled alcohol in compound (absolutely stupid stupid idea!!) and then replied that he was already out of country, so he didn't care if they knew. I had also e mailed him, and I have not received a reply.

The security clearance was one of the reasons I didn't even apply with CHS. I knw I could get the clearance, I didn't want to be caught up in all of that bureaucracy. Also, the idea of running EMS on a military base didn't excite me. Most of the guys doing that haven't been too impressed with it...

NJmedic3250

12-04-2009, 08:11 AM

As far as the conditional flight position is concerned, I know for a fact that they have purchased new helicopters and entered into a long term contract for the purchase of 28 helicopters over the next 5 years. You can do some research on google and actually find the news articles from Saudi Arabia discussing this subject. Also, I have spoken with a pilot who has been working with the recruitment company that is securing the pilots for this position (Action Aviation.)

Now, the purpose for making the flight position conditional is two fold. First, I currently work for a flight service, and getting the opportunity to evaluate people's skills and abilities before putting them on a helicopter is imperative. I would not want to work on a bird with someone before I got to know them clinically. There is a lot of trust and team work that goes in to aeromedical calls, because the risk is greater and the patient's are more critical than ground transports. The second reason probably has to do with the fact that we all know someone can look great on paper, and then when you see them in person, you realize there resume may have a lot of credentials, but no real substance. Anyone who has worked in EMS long enough to qualify for a flight position has worked with the "book smart" paramedic who doesn't have common sense to save his/her own life. The conditional flight position is the safest way to do it, and frankly, I wouldn't go any other way.

Dr. Nakity is a recruiter, and the situation on the ground is fluid. Combine that with a slight language barrier, and I can understand why it is hard for him to confidently answer questions. Also, he doesn't live in the compound, he wouldn't know what it is like. The compound is brand new. We will be the first to live there.

I encourage everyone to visit www.emssaudiarabia.com and check the FAQ page. It has been updated in the last two weeks with some great information.

Good info. I understand why making the flight position conditional makes sense. My concern was that was going to end up being the first example of a series of empty promises when I hit the ground there. I just don't want to be the guy that believes everything I hear and then be unpleasantly surprised with my choice to take the position. However, I will say this. Hearing the enthusiasm coming from everyone in the application process is putting my mind at ease about the whole thing. Hope to meet and work with everyone in the future.

WTEngel

12-04-2009, 03:19 PM

The SRCA has been dealing with expats (mostly European and South African) for many years now. I have done quite a bit of searching online and spoken with a few friends who are familiar with international contracting, and while they have heard of SRCA, they haven't heard anything negative. That is not to say that they have heard anything overtly positive, but in the small world of international contracting, generally you can always find someone to say something negative about a contractor.

The only thing negative I have heard, and it has been on this forum from someone who has not worked for the SRCA, was that they have changed contracts on a few of their expats. When I prodded the poster for more information, such as whether they changed, salary, living, duration, etc. I did not get a response.

My feeling on changing contracts is that it could possibly be a result of the expat either not having the certifications or qualifications they stated when they were made the offer, or they were not able to PROVE that they possessed the qualifications they stated they had. My advice, make sure you have originals of EVERy certification and qualification that you claimed to have in your resume, application, and any other interaction you have had with SRCA. This way everyone is on the same page. If you are unable to produce an original copy of a certification, you might fall into the category of people who have had their contracts changed.

This is all just speculation on my part. You have to remember, the Saudis have a LOT of money, but they don't just throw it away paying foreign contractors. If you aren't able to prove what you claimed you had during the "interview" and pre hiring process, then they will turn around and make the deal that is most financially advantageous to them. The same would happen if the shoe were on the other foot and it was an American contractor. Believe me, these foreign contractors are all about the bottom line.

schulz

12-04-2009, 07:02 PM

Sounds like the SCRA's U.S. employees maybe staffed almost exclusively from the EMT LIFE forums, ;-)

WTEngel

12-07-2009, 11:44 AM

So has anybody actually sent their documents to Rendezvous Travel yet? I am mailing mine off today. She is saying it will take 3 to 4 weeks for the documents to process and the work visa to be approved.

falcon-18

12-08-2009, 12:47 PM

hello, everybody I am sorry I want answer all of your Q... but I was very busy first in 18 november I did accident by ambulance ,then in 25 november the flood in my city so we had (code red). but Now I am free , and I can answer some of it . I was saw some post in these days but I did not answer because really I was very busy . anyway I will answer of it in the next few days. thanks everybody.:):):):)

I will but some pic for ambulance and flood soon.

WTEngel

12-08-2009, 12:55 PM

falcon-18

12-08-2009, 01:07 PM

Omar,

Have you seen the new helicopters yet? Any chance you could post some pics of them? I am very eager to see what they look like!

Glad to see that you that you made it through the flooding alright. be safe!

Travis

Travis

hello, how are you?
This hypothesis by the Saudi Red Crescent Society in Riyadh, capital of Saudi Arabia. On Monday. I apologize for the lack of images of the aircraft because I am in the city far from the capital Riyadh, but will try. Give me a few days. I will try but not promise.

http://www.alyaum.com/issue/article.php?IN=13325&I=721390&G=3
omar

WTEngel

12-08-2009, 05:34 PM

So are they already flying missions with the helicopters? I did not think they had started yet.

How long have the helicopters been operational?

2easy4u

12-08-2009, 08:38 PM

Falcon 18 & WTengle
I received a preliminary job offer today. I have looked it over and discussed it with my wife and family. I replied to the e-mail with acceptance conditional on a job description. I asked s few questions in my reply about CRM, PELA sites and the 51% rule. I am somewhat excited about this whole thing, but I don't have enough info to be able to voice an opinion. I have read all of the posts on this thread and learned a little more but still lacking in what I need to hear. The offer was one sheet with job title and a list of pay and benefits. I really need more than that for a supervisory position. I have not received a packet,and I am hoping there will be more information in it to discern. Can one of you guys PM me about the info in your packet? Yes I am an American flight paramedic. I heard about the job from one of the pilots that I work with.
Thanks
2easy4u

McLenin

12-08-2009, 10:41 PM

I asked s few questions in my reply about CRM, PELA sites and the 51% rule.

McLenin

12-08-2009, 10:56 PM

what is this rule? What do you mean by CRM,PELA 51%?

My wife wants to go with me, but doesn't want to be home all day she rather work. What I understood is that your wife stays only as a visitor, because she doesnt have the work visa. Does anyone has more info? People that bring family with them, what do you think?

I really want to see our compounds( APARTMENTS) pictures, or at least the equipment that I will have to use.

I dont want to rush the whole process, I will take my time, I think we have like 3 month to get staff together. This medical form we have, the physical and the lab work is done by the same doctor?

and I will take couple weeks vacation before I go)))))))))

2easy4u

12-08-2009, 11:10 PM

CRM Crew resource management. This is when the pilots utilize all crew members especially on take off and landing.
PELA site is a pre-existing landing area or designated LZ landing Zone.
51%rule is when any crew member feels unsafe about the mission can call 51% and we go back to base and debrief on the ground.
All of these things are a safety standards to minimize the possibility of crews getting into trouble during a flight.
It is so much better to be on the ground wishing you could fly than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground. I know that for certain.
I hope this helps. My wife is not going.

WTEngel

12-08-2009, 11:11 PM

I believe he is speaking of Crew Resource Management (CRM) and Proficiency in English Language for Air Traffic Controllers (PELA).

CRM is basically a communication and action style meant to improve safety before, during and after flight. PELA is a standard for air traffic controllers that goes over phonetics, pronunciation, and also understanding of english. There is a test associated with this standard that tests the air traffic controllers ability to communicate and understand pilots speaking english.

I would be surprised if the recruiter knows that much about the detailed operations of the flight program. I have spoken with a pilot in the recruitment process for SRCA, and he said they are pretty much following FAR 135 and not trying to re invent the wheel.

When you are say 51% rule, are you talking about for experimental aircraft? The MD 902 is not an experimental aircraft, so I am not sure exactly where you are thinking the 51% rule would come into play. I could be totally wrong, and you might be speaking of something completely different.

WTEngel

12-08-2009, 11:17 PM

Woops! 1 out of 3 isn't too bad!

I have never heard it called the 51% rule before. Usually we call it standing down, time out, "3 to go, 1 to say no", safe harbor (for all you nurses out there), etc. I have been lucky enough to have never been in a program that pressured staff even when they feel unsafe. I know these programs exist, and for anyone reading, if you work for one currently, get out as soon as possible. In cases where management pressures staff to take flights, it is a matter of when you will have an incident, not if.

Either way, I have heard that all the flight crews are being oriented prior to flying for something like 30 days. This could be a total rumor, but it sounds like a reasonable assumption.

2easy4u

12-08-2009, 11:39 PM

I have been flying for the same company since 1998 as a medic. And I have never been pressured. But if you fly long enough,stuff happens. Complacency is deadly and is no respecter of persons. I want to make sure this is safe.

WTEngel

12-09-2009, 12:15 AM

So what is your motivation for taking on such great hardship and risk to go to KSA? Are the pay and benefits that much higher that you will make significantly more in KSA while still having to support your family here at home?

The only thing making it really profitable for me is that I will have no expenses here at home while I am away.

It really is none of my business I guess, but I was just wondering, since you seem to be pretty comfortable with the company you are currently working for.

2easy4u

12-09-2009, 06:57 AM

My children are raised but struggling to go to college. My wife and I started a small bakery in 2007. The economy crashed and the bakery didn't make it. It would have been really good info if good ole W would have admitted we were in fact in a recession before I went into debt. Luckily we did not go completely bankrupt, we just closed the door and paid for everything. And we are still paying. But I'm not bitter or anything. I would like to have a short discussion with W and Dick about what they were thinking. But that is water under the bridge.
Basically I am very comfortable where I am. I don't have to go. It would make it easier, but is not required.

falcon-18

12-09-2009, 03:07 PM

So are they already flying missions with the helicopters? I did not think they had started yet.

How long have the helicopters been operational?

hello,,:):)
this news tow days ago from now. I think there is some helicopters. as I know it will start in deember... I do not have clear time for it :unsure: . sorry .
:sad:

what is this rule? What do you mean by CRM,PELA 51%?

My wife wants to go with me, but doesn't want to be home all day she rather work. What I understood is that your wife stays only as a visitor, because she doesnt have the work visa. Does anyone has more info? People that bring family with them, what do you think?

hello, :)

no, she can works here in KSA, I know some women work here in hospital and in SRCA in General Administration of self-employment. I think they are from south africa and australia, I am not sure if there is some from germany. in hospital I saw from US,UK,philipin,China,INDIA,PAKISTAN,GERMANY.... there is too much but you should re-ask about work for in KSA.

zstop14

12-09-2009, 04:05 PM

WTEngel

12-09-2009, 07:00 PM

In regards to the poster asking about if his wife can work, that is not possible if she is coming over with a visitor visa attached to your iqama. Basically the only people who can work in Saudi are citizens, and those with a work visa.

In order for your wife to work, she would need to stay here in the states, apply with a company in Saudi that will hire her and then send her a letter of authorization just as you are getting from SRCA, and then apply for a work visa in the same manner that you are now. Once she is over in Saudi on a visitor or family visa, or any visa other than a work visa for that matter, she will not be allowed to hold employment of any kind. This is what I have learned from the other forums and research I have done, so it may not be 100% accurate, but I believe it to be so.

As far as medications and protocols, I don't think anyone has been made aware of those yet, last I heard they were still being finalized. The protocols will be different than the gorund service, for obvious reasons. This being a new program and all, things are in a state of change as they work out the kinks in preparation for launch.

falcon-18

12-10-2009, 12:24 AM

Hello I am a Critical Care Paramedic from Indiana. I have recently received my job offer from Saudi Red Crescent as a Paramedic in Riyadh. Where will you be working at and do you have any helpful information for me? Have you heard anything about their So's and what medications they carry?

heloo,:):):) and welcome to work here in KSA. we do not have a clear protocol now, because they are a new protocol in the next months. but I think it will not have a big change, it is emergency medication as every protocol.

falcon-18(omar):)

calimedic

12-10-2009, 09:57 PM

SRCS is starting up a air medical service. I have two friends who have gone over in November. They need both Air and ground based medic's.

It will be a huge challange. Saudi has on of the highest accident death rates in the world. The housing I am told is first rate and the pay is good.

SRCS has contracted with Action Aviation out of the UK to run the air medical service.

A good book about Saudi is called "Paramedic to the Prince" About an American paramedic that worked in Saudi for about ten years. A great read. Gives you a real inside look into the country.

schulz

12-11-2009, 01:14 AM

falcon or anyone else who knows,
As a ground Paramedic for SRCA I hear we are partners with a saudi EMT-B? Also, do you we share the driving the of the ambulance or does he do most of that?

calimedic

12-11-2009, 01:39 AM

NJmedic3250

12-11-2009, 05:34 AM

falcon or anyone else who knows,
As a ground Paramedic for SRCA I hear we are partners with a saudi EMT-B? Also, do you we share the driving the of the ambulance or does he do most of that?

As per Dr Nakiti, you are paired with an EMT B/ driver/ translator who has a good knowledge of the city's streets. My assumption is that this EMT will be Saudi. In addition, you will have a BLS ambulance on every scene.

rhousewa

12-11-2009, 09:10 AM

From everything I have learned NJmedic3250 is correct in his last post. I might add this, we foreign medics will be in a quick response vehicle (QRV) and will co respond with the BLS ambulance on calls. Got this from Omar (falcon-18) and Dr. Nakity and I am comfortable with their knowledge on this topic. Jeff

WTEngel

12-11-2009, 04:39 PM

I also have heard the same info on the ground crews, as far as ALS responders are in a quick response vehicle with a Saudi EMT partner, rendezvousing with a BLS ambulance, where the determination will be made by the ALS crew to either hop on the BLS unit and provide ALS care to the hospital, or to allow the BLS crew to continue transport providing BLS care, and the paramedic clears the scene to go to the next call.

Also, I have received some positive information regarding my work visa status. I was informed today that my visa should be ready on December 16th. This is a turnaround time of 6 business days. The travel agent led me to believe it might take 3 to 4 weeks, so I am pretty happy to hear this. I guess the travel agent underpromised and overdelivered...which is always great to hear.

The travel agent told me that she did not coordinate the airplane tickets, and that once I had my visa approved, I needed to contact my handler with the SRCA and arrange travel with them.

My advice to anyone who may be fixing to send off your work visa paperwork, make sure EVERYTHING is in order. Every i dotted and every t crossed. If there is any question, call and ask before you send it. It is much better to be delayed a week in sending the paperwork to make sure everything is right, rather than send paperowkr that is not filled out appropriately, as that will likely delay you for 2 weeks or more.

I don't know if this made a difference or not, but I arranged my paperwork in 4 seperate envelopes inside the packet I mailed. One envelope contained my passport. The second contained everything regarding my professional licensure (registrar letter, transcript, letter from certifuing agency, and diploma.) The third envelope contained all of my visa paperwork, which included my visa application, medical report in triple form with labs attached, authorization letter, and signed contract. The fourth envelope contained my personal refernces and employment verification letters.

I feel like organizing this way may have really helped the travel agent in organizing it to send to the embassy.

Anyway, if anyone else has any additional info to add, mark it down. It looks like my bags are nearly packed!

2easy4u

12-11-2009, 06:08 PM

Thanks WT.

I should get the packet next week. It looks like you found the right combination. I will use that info when I send my stuff in. I want to see what is in the contract. I don't expect any surprises. I have spoken to Dr Nakity,and one of the pilots. They were very helpful and reassured my on safety. If everything works out I should see you over there pretty soon.

WTEngel

12-11-2009, 08:15 PM

Also, I came onto two photos of the new helicopters. They are outstanding airframes, and they look great!

j_commspec

12-12-2009, 08:47 AM

I have submitted my resume for the Comm. Spec. position. Maybe someday we will be talking to each other. I have 16 years experience as a comm. spec. This sounds very interesting.
I have read your entire thread. I will not make you repeat yourself.
Thanks for all of the info so far.

WTEngel

12-12-2009, 12:42 PM

That's great. I haven't talked to anyone going as a comm specialist yet. Is all of your experience with ground crews, or do you work with a flight service?

McLenin

12-12-2009, 03:29 PM

congrats WTE, send us pictures of the housing once u arrive.

schulz

12-12-2009, 07:24 PM

WTE,
Stay in touch if possible once you have boots on the ground over there. I bet it could be a lot of help to many of us behind. Goodluck!

schulz

12-12-2009, 09:08 PM

PS: here is some extra reading material
http://americanbedu.com/2009/11/11/saudi-arabia-and-transition-of-an-australian-family/

McLenin

12-13-2009, 09:44 AM

Do I need to send any money with my application? What was the total cost of the medical exam with labs?

j_commspec

12-13-2009, 10:06 AM

I have not heard of any costs at this point. Are there any other comm. specs applying.

WTEngel

12-13-2009, 01:04 PM

It is a general rule that you should NEVER have to pay anything to an employer when trying to obtain overseas work.

The only out of pocket expense other than postage was the physical examination. I am not sure what the total cost on this is yet, as my physician is a personal friend and is working agressively to file everything possible with my current insurance company. I would be prepared to pay $500.00 or possibly more for your medical exam. That should be your only out of pocket expense.

The only other possible expense that you might have to pay is if you are unable to get all of your documents notarized, the Saudi consulate might charge a fee to certify those documents, which basically amounts to them doing a little legwork to make phone calls and ensure that your documents are in fact genuine. I am not positive, but I believe the cost per document is something aliong the line of $30.00. My advice is to get everything notarized before you send it in, as the Saudi certification process is likely to take longer than you would like to wait, and also, depending on the number of documents they have to certify, it could become costly. Have all your t's crossed and i's dotted before you mail in your application, it will make your life and their job much easier and expedient.

McLenin

12-13-2009, 02:14 PM

I dont have a personal doctor, so its going to be a journey for me. I dont even know where to start....<_<

WTEngel

12-13-2009, 03:20 PM

Without a primary care physician, you are probably looking at going the most expensive possible route to get your physical. I am not sure if you have insureance or not, but without insurance, I wouldn't be surprised if you paid upwards of $600 or $700. I know the chest x rays alone are generally $100 w/o insurance.

Perhaps you should approach a physician and begin a relationship with them as your primary. Basically ask them for a routine physical, and hand them the work physical paperwork from teh SRCA, and request that they add on all the addiotinal tests.

Another resource for you to look into would be immigration physicians in your area. Typically these physicians do immigration physicals for immigrants wanting US citizenship, however, they should have experience in dealing with the paperwork involved in international travel regarding helth clearance.

Sorry I don't really have any other ideas. I know that the price for the physical may sound high, but also remember, you get a relocation bonus as soon as you arrive in Saudi. It is equal to one months base salary (possibly around 3,000 USD?) which should help offset any of the costs you incur while in processing.

falcon-18

12-13-2009, 05:27 PM

You won't be asked to drive. you could get paired with an EMT from any number of countries. I am sure you should be paired with an arbic speaker. In the cities english is spoken by some. The majority of Saudi's don't speak much english.

I know some won't agree and say most Saudi's speak english. But from my experience it helps to learn some basic arabic.

" wayne Alum" where does it hurt
" lotta Harrick" Dont move
theres the arabic lesson for today..

that is right the driver should be saudian man because he knows the place and he can talk with the dispatch

good course for arabic :):)

if you want I will give you course:):)

do not worries it is free.

kaif halouk(( how are you ))

As per Dr Nakiti, you are paired with an EMT B/ driver/ translator who has a good knowledge of the city's streets. My assumption is that this EMT will be Saudi. In addition, you will have a BLS ambulance on every scene.

+2 that is right. :):)

schulz

12-13-2009, 06:32 PM

WTE I am also in the no insurance boat. Do you think SRCA will take my physical from CHS when I was in Florida processing for Kuwait around 4 or 5 months ago?

WTEngel

12-13-2009, 06:41 PM

That would be a question for the visa handler at Redezvous.

Best case scenario you are able to take the entire lab work packet from your CHS physical to the MD of your choosing and they will accept the results and sign off on your medical form without re ordering the tests. There is a 6 month tiem limit limit on the lab work I believe, but I could be wrong... for some reason 3 months also sticks out as a possible expiration date.

I hate to say it, but it seems like there might be a big chance you will be redoing your physical. If there is any doubt about whether they will accept it or not, I would completely redo the physical, despite the cost. The amount of time you will lose by sending in the visa packet innapropriately filled out could be weeks, and possibly months, assuming you have to make an appointment for another physical, mail the paperwork back and forth, etc, etc...

Also, I know the cost is a big factor, but the relocation is payable on arrival in Saudi...if that helps.

falcon-18

12-13-2009, 06:52 PM

Also, I came onto two photos of the new helicopters. They are outstanding airframes, and they look great!

that is right WT you bring it before me, no proplem.

this photos also for it ,in the first time of test in riyadh.:):)

WTEngel

12-13-2009, 07:54 PM

Awesome pics Omar! Very cool. I was speaking with Jay Paladino and he told me about the training they did on the highway the other day. He said the state police did an awesome job in controlling the traffic for the drill...He said things are looking really good over there.

Omar, where are you based out of?

McLenin

12-13-2009, 11:15 PM

falcon
Do you know where we will be living ? I will appreciate a lot, if you can find that out, and maybe post pictures....:rolleyes:

calimedic

12-14-2009, 12:35 AM

I spoke with Jay as well. He is on the ground now in Saudi. He seems to be happy with the way things are looking. There is a large expatriate community and there are lots of activities going on. Desert trips etc...

I found this guys web-site, a paramedic who wrote a book about Saudi.

WWW.paramedictotheprince.com. Jay has read it and says it is a very good read.

Good luck, if nothing else it should prove to be a great adventure.

falcon-18

12-14-2009, 02:12 PM

falcon
Do you know where we will be living ? I will appreciate a lot, if you can find that out, and maybe post pictures....:rolleyes:

I do not have any clear idea about it..

really I want help you but I do not know .

According to my knowledge that foreigners living in housing by the guards is very tight by security men. Such as vertical village and the village of dew in Jeddah, there are many of them and you can also live out if you want at your own risk. This is what I know is for the companies where there are foreigners.

good luck .:):)

schulz

12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

My friend Aaron who is also an Oregon medic just got his offer today. So he will be coming along also!

falcon-18

12-14-2009, 04:04 PM

schulz

12-15-2009, 01:12 AM

Question,

regarding the notarized documents. Every time I have had a document notarized its been something that just needs to be signed in front of a witness.

How can the notary verify all your employment records, paramedic cert, acls ect... by stamping the paper? How did you guys deal with this?

WTEngel

12-15-2009, 01:29 AM

I actually had to ask my employers and former employers to notarize the letter they were giving me. They looked at me funny and questioned me about it, and I just said it was for overseas employment, and that the perspective employer was very specific about wanting it notarized. I was then very gracious and told them how much of a help it would be if they could just find a way to get it notarized, and that worked for me.

As for your ACLS certs and all that, those do not need to be notarized. Documents that are originals, like your diploma, I believe can be certified by the consulate, for a fee. I am not 100% positive about this, and I do not know what it requires, but the travel agent basically told me she would get back to me with any fees that the consulate might charge to certify documents. So far she has not contacted me about any fees, and supposedly my work visa is going to be approved Wednesday the 16th (fingers crossed.)

My advice would be to go to a notary and ask how you can certify a document as authentic. They may have a form or something that you can attach to the original diploma that can be notarized by them. The last thing I want is a big ugly notary public stamp on my pretty paramedic diploma ; )

skysix

12-15-2009, 08:23 PM

Hi - new to forum.

Just spoke with Jay and offer in mail - I'm also from Portland. Can anyone contact me off line with what details to look for in the offer etc so I don't miss something essential and screw myself?

schulz

12-15-2009, 09:35 PM

Hey I would help a fellow Portlander if I could, but I am not really familiar with this. It will make my 2nd offer ever for an international Paramedic contract. I am sure someone on here can help you though. Seems like there is atleast 3 of us from Oregon heading over. Look forward to meeting everyone if it all work out!

-Mike

Flight Med

12-15-2009, 10:41 PM

I seen the job listing on Flightweb and was wondering how lucrative the position was as a flightmedic over there. I am currently in Alaska working as a critical care FM here.

Yurong

12-16-2009, 02:21 AM

Wow, I'm glad I found this forum! I've been playing e-mail tag with Dr.
Nakity for a couple of months now for a ground position. I am currently finishing up by B.S. in EMS at Eastern Kentucky University after having had my medic for a few years. I hadn't even considered international employment until after speaking with several Saudi students who were sent to EKU from the Red Crescent to get their paramedics. I've explored a couple of other positions in KSA at the specialist hospitals, but most are requiring 5 years post bachelor's degree employment, regardless of the total years of EMS experience.

Anyway, I was hoping that someone could forward those magical emails that have been bouncing around to avoid asking some redundant questions that have already been answered. As a side note, if anyone receives any documents in Arabic that they need translated, several of the students at the university have offered to help me, and I am sure I could get them to look at others (helping with their end of year practicals have really paid off).

I haven't quite reached a job offer stage (I have been waiting to receive my passport for over two months now...) so I was hoping someone could give a general heads up on the salary's that are being offered to the ground medics. Feel free to tell me its none of my business, but it would really help satisfy my curiosity. You can PM me

schulz

12-16-2009, 04:04 AM

did you expedite your passport?

Wow, I'm glad I found this forum! I've been playing e-mail tag with Dr.
Nakity for a couple of months now for a ground position. I am currently finishing up by B.S. in EMS at Eastern Kentucky University after having had my medic for a few years. I hadn't even considered international employment until after speaking with several Saudi students who were sent to EKU from the Red Crescent to get their paramedics. I've explored a couple of other positions in KSA at the specialist hospitals, but most are requiring 5 years post bachelor's degree employment, regardless of the total years of EMS experience.

Anyway, I was hoping that someone could forward those magical emails that have been bouncing around to avoid asking some redundant questions that have already been answered. As a side note, if anyone receives any documents in Arabic that they need translated, several of the students at the university have offered to help me, and I am sure I could get them to look at others (helping with their end of year practicals have really paid off).

I haven't quite reached a job offer stage (I have been waiting to receive my passport for over two months now...) so I was hoping someone could give a general heads up on the salary's that are being offered to the ground medics. Feel free to tell me its none of my business, but it would really help satisfy my curiosity. You can PM me

Yurong

12-16-2009, 04:10 AM

Of course not, that would of made too much sense. At the time I had at least 4 months to finish up my b.s. Degree and I figured that would be plenty of time. I think I am going to make some calls in the morning and see if it would just be faster to do a new application, but I bet I lose my $125 in the process.

schulz

12-16-2009, 04:42 AM

That sucks man. Check where your nearest passport issue office is. I live in Portland Oregon and mine is in Seattle. I can make an appointment and drive up there with a travel agenda showing a flight for Saudi in less than 2 weeks and get my passport the same day with some extra fee's.

rhousewa

12-16-2009, 12:31 PM

I don't want to spoil anyone's day but this is the link to the Saudi Embassy for work visa information. The first item on the list is, "A passport valid for at least six (6) months, with at least two (2) clear visa pages adjacent to each other." This site has a lot of good information that you should view if you are looking at going to KSA. Jeff

http://www.saudiembassy.net/services/employment_visa.aspx

WTEngel

12-16-2009, 12:42 PM

You also will not be able to book a flight to Saudi without a valid work visa, which requires a passport valid for 6 months or longer.

In essence, you need to expedite your passport, and then you have 6 months to get all the paperwork complete. In fact, you cannot even fill out the online application completely without a valid passport #. I would say you have at least 7 months from the time your passport is in your hand until you will be able to deploy. That is 6 months for the time limit, and then 3-4 weeks after that to allow for the visa to process.

That isn't to say that the SRCA may not be able to assist you in obtaining a work visa sooner by somehow getting the consulate to waive the 6 month passport time requirement, however, you and I have a better chance of getting into a snowball fight in Riyadh than that happening, IMHO.

JayPal

12-16-2009, 01:12 PM

Well, I see that several people have several questions about the SRCA and the operations that we are setting up. I apologize for not coming up sooner on this website, but I was just informed about it (and I notice that I am already in the paper, ice cream on me!). I am Jay Paladino and the Head of Aviation Paramedical for Action Aviation who is consulting to the SRCA on this project. As most of you know, I contact you by phone to answer your questions because I like talking to live people instead of typing. Should you have any questions, please ask me directly and I will shoot you straight. The last thing I would do is bring someone over here on false pretenses. It does nothing but wastes my resources and time as it does yours. I have been an expat and experienced that situation personally and it does make for a successful work environment. This project is big and we need people that are willing to be a part of something that is why I am posting this. Please, anything you would like to know, ASK! My personal email is jaypaladino@gmail.com

schulz

12-16-2009, 08:13 PM

Jay I sent you an email.

Other guys, ' "A passport valid for at least six (6) months" I understood this statement differently. To me that means your passport must remain valid for the next 6 months until it expires. That also makes more since to me, Why would they give you a visa if your passport expires next month, compared to just having your passport it in a drawer for 6 months as a requirment. I could be wrong?

Yurong

12-16-2009, 08:20 PM

That's how I took it also. Looks like
my closest passportoffice is in DC... Oh well, nothing like
a Trip to the capital to fell like your tax dollars are wasted!

WTEngel

12-16-2009, 11:53 PM

Yeah after further review I am mistaken, I think you guys are right...

This is why I am a paramedic not a travel agent, although lately coordinating all of my paperwork I feel somewhat like an HR agent...

Sorry for the bad info...

schulz

12-17-2009, 07:35 AM

Hey no prob it was not that clear, but Jay from SRCA got back to me and said
"No, you need to have 6 months validity left on the passport." so I guess I was right.
I am not a travel agent either and was not sure, so I am glad he cleared that up for us!

WTEngel

12-17-2009, 03:32 PM

Work visa was approved today!

I have sent the date range for when I would like to deploy, and the travel agent is booking the tickets for me and sending the info to SRCA. The next thing I should get is my e ticket and my originals back from the consulate.

January 13th - the 18th I will will be deploying....

muzlblast

12-17-2009, 05:16 PM

helimedic39

12-18-2009, 01:58 AM

Hey, thought i'd throw myself out there since i've seen everyone has been communicating about going to work for SRCA. I'm working on my passport now and waiting. Looks like I will have a job offer once all that is set to go. Looking towards end of January realistically. So what's up, I'm Rob.

schulz

12-18-2009, 03:39 AM

hey rob hows it going? Where are you from how did you hear about SRCA?

helimedic39

12-18-2009, 09:09 AM

What's up, I'm originally from Ann Arbor MI, GO BLUE! (eventhough we sucked again). I have been in AZ for the last 6 years..phoenix..I work in Colorado for a flight program. I heard about SRCA through JEMS. It was advertised, then action aviation posted on flightweb.

remotemedic

12-18-2009, 12:34 PM

Thanks everyone for all the helpful information. But lets stop beating around the bush, what's the salary range? For everyone who claim to have been made an offer, can you help? I've done work oversea work before, and it can be very rewarding. But I think some of you are jumping to quick. I personally expect at least $20,000 more than I make in the USA, otherwise what's the point. Everyone needs to take a deep breath, and do your homework before you jump. Read the infromation closely. If you use all of your vacation time out of country(Saudi Arabia), this will make you inelligible for the free tax beneifit. Trust me, I made this mistake, and I'm still paying the IRS today. Again, can someone be up front and provide what they're offering in salaries. I'm impressed with the benefits, and ready to go, just waiting for fair wage. I'm starting to feel like I'm getting the run around, I've received everything from from them both, except the salary. And they continue to ask if I can come immediately. The answer is YES, for a fair wage!!! How about the Action Aviation guy, could you provide a salary range, or spread sheet? Thanks!

WTEngel

12-18-2009, 12:45 PM

First off, you are welcome for the info...

Secondly, salary is a pretty personal issue, so I am not sure how much luck you will have getting people to spill the beans on what they are making. From what I can tell, it is experience based, not negotiation based, and that's about it. When they sent me my contract, it was clearly outlined how much I would be making and it was fair in my opinion.

I saw on the FAQ'a on the www.emssaudiarabia.com website, that the salary was non negotiable, however, a few people have said that they have been given a second offer, I don't know how true that is.

Best of luck getting an offer you find acceptable.

By the way, I dealt directly with SRCA during my recruitment, so I am not sure how the recruitment process works if you are going through Action Aviation. That would be a question Jay might have the answer to. I am not saying one is better than the other, I am just pointing out that the things I say are from dealing with SRCA, not Action.

remotemedic

12-18-2009, 01:40 PM

Thanks, for the information. I appreciate the advise and information. I have dealt with Action aviation, sounds like I need to deal with SRCA direct instead. As I realize salaries are a sensative issue from a company perspective, but I believe they are well shared on most bullentin boards, and internet discussion sites. I view several career oriented sites daily. This is how I found my last overseas employment. You find resources, and then communicate either directly with correspondents, or indirectly on the internet. Please don't take offense, but I believe you have backed yourself in the corner by giving your name, you should never do so. So I do not believe asking for a salary range is outside business or internet etique. So, we'll just agree to disagree. Thanks again, and congrates, hopefully we'll be working together soon. I will share that my salary as a remote medic was $120,000, with the range any where from $100 to $150+. I realize this is not even close to that position or situation. But I hope a range of $80 to $100 would be possible. Don't be so naive to believe that this is a safe and easy job, you are in a foreign country that dislikes Americans. If you disagree, read about the bombings on the American contractor compounds in the past. Our compounds require large amounts of security, and basically our own village(shopping,grocery,etc.) when off duty. Not trying to scare anyone, just being honest. Like I said before, I'm ready to move myself. I just think some of you are naive. Also to be fair, if some of you take low salaries, it hurts all of us, in such a harsh, and foreign land, let's be paid what we're worth. Why else do you think they're recruiting Americans. Supply and demand! Blah, Blah, Blah, can someone provide a vague salary range. I have a family to feed, and bills to pay, just like everyone else!

schulz

12-18-2009, 06:44 PM

yea bad idea to talk about offers on the public forum. Also this is not a DOD contract slot and it is not in a combat zone.

In other news, I have ran into another question. Did you guys do a FBI check on yourself or state police check? How long did this take?

- Mike

helimedic39

12-18-2009, 08:23 PM

I did an FBI fingerprint check. It takes about 3 weeks.

WTEngel

12-19-2009, 12:43 AM

I did a state DPS fingerprint check. It was returned in 5 business days. I live in Texas, so I am not sure how things will go in your state...

WTEngel

12-19-2009, 12:50 AM

Also, I would like to reply about the idea that Saudi Arabia is a foreign country that does not like Americans. There are many expats working in KSA both at hospitals and for contractors. I have not worked there so I can not judge. All I can do is keep an open mind and do my research on Saudi Arabia. So far my findings have been positive.

I am not sure if you have worked in KSA, but I hope that you do your research also, and do not automatically jump to the conclusion that just because it is the Middle East, they do not like Americans.

MMiz

12-19-2009, 01:00 AM

I've stayed out of this thread because I've had very little to contribute. It is absolutely clear that as an American you will face challenges working in Saudi Arabia in our current political climate.

Reading the U.S. embassy's regular bulletins you'll find that they recommend keeping a very low profile and be careful of the places you frequent.

You will not be welcomed with open arms in Saudi Arabia. From people I know personally who have visited the region, there is a strong anti-American sentiment. Saudi Arabia has also seen a dramatic increase in violent and random crime in the past few years.

Good luck!

Armor10

12-19-2009, 02:04 AM

Hi I just received, via E-mail my offer of employment on Dec 15th. I am currently waiting for my packet to come. Does anyone know, will this be sent via FedEx, or UPS? Also WTEngle did you have to send them your actual Passport? I read in one of your other post's that one of your envelopes contained your Passport. But I wasn't sure if this was a copy or what. This really seems like a great opportunity. I look forward to seeing everyone over there, and by the way, I'm known for some serious Xbox party's. So HALO or GEARS at my place.

WTEngel

12-19-2009, 02:14 AM

Your offer will come via FedEx package. You can actually track it by calling FedEx international and providing your address and the name of the sender (Saudi Red Crescent.) They may ask you for a tracking number, just tell them you did not receive one, and they should ask you for the other info.

Yeah, your actual passport needs to be sent to the visa handler. They actually affix your work visa to one of the visa pages in your passport. I know it feels weird to send such a personal and important document to a stranger, but it will be ok. They mail it back along with your other original documents.

Congrats...and you better watch out! I am a pretty good shot on Halo...

schulz

12-19-2009, 05:57 AM

I worked in Egypt for close to a year... I had an easy time in 2002-2003, although women could drive, people could drink, and it was easy going unlike saudi rules. I am sure you can expect some Saudis to not like Americans but if its anything like Egypt that wont be the majority. however DO EXPECT SOME A-HOLES just like any place. Be smart, stay safe, and show respect

McLenin

12-19-2009, 10:22 AM

remotemedic - thank you sir for your post, it is very realistic. We wrote about all the benefits and good things to expect. Now lets talk about hidden stuff from us. First thing i want to know, is WHAT is the living conditions. SRCA are sending invitations, but are giving excuses when it comes to a direct question about apartments. People who worked overseas, please teach us on common mistakes we make while working., like the deal with vacation time and taxes. As far as the pay they offered me, I dont really care to say much i will make. i understand people will think of it as personal info, but come on we are in the same boat. They offered me total monthly salary of 17,500 SAR. (ground EMT-P). I have traveled in Europe many times, and i found lots of people hating Americans. I can only imagine what is middle east think of us, so we have to stick together at all times. Good luck to you all ))

Armor10

12-19-2009, 12:40 PM

McLein, do you have a degree? How many years have you been a Medic? I think their basing wages on educational, and street experience? Still you have to add in free rent (So you can send most of your Salary home), and no taxes. It still seems like a sweet deal. I think most people have to remember that this isn't a DOD contract. It's a great experience to venture to another country and experience first hand a culture many westerners know nothing about.

Sweety

12-19-2009, 01:15 PM

Hi'yall

There are people in Saudi Arabia that do not like Americans. This is fact! However, when you get here do not make the mistake of thinking cause you are American you are better than Saudi's or that you should be treated any better than others. I have been here on and off for 5 years. Our accents stand out, we look western and we act western. I am lucky as a gal many Saudi men do not dare to talk to me in public ( except pre-pubescent boys in malls). I wear an abbaya when out, cover my hair when needed. I can't drive and I am careful who I am seen with in public - especially male friends.

There is a feeling by some that we shouldn't be here, but this goes for all westerners. Without western or foreign workers this nation would not last long, y'll see what I mean when you get here.

Is it safe? Yes. Your not likely to get your bag or cell ripped from your arm, you will get wolf whistles and being a female the attitude by saudi's is we are cheap and want Saudi men ( how wrong). Some male friends have been abused verbally in public. Some have been told "go home Amereki". Just watch which area you visit. Most Americans do not go out in public much. Some tell people they are Canadian. The embassy website gives good advice. Read it.

The hospital system and the Red Crescent is not like home. Things are different. We cant change the system but we work here by choice, no one is forcing us to be here. The "we don't do that like this at home" attitude doesn't work here.

You make what you want of life here. You can drink, yu can dance, you can party (like adults boys-forget Xbox), you can travel, you can have a life albeit different to how we do it back home.

I work in a hospital these days not EMS. We have heavy security all around. The RC guys don't. They work all over the city, they visit undesirable neighborhoods, they don't have security or Police with them. How many have been attacked? None that I know. Do they wear stab vests like London? No. Do they feel threatened? No more than where they came from. People, relatives get emotional especially when there is a death involved, just like anywhere in the world. Hopefully maturity and experience will guide you.

Hey you will feel like home there are more Yukons, Caddie's, and Crown Vics here than stateside!

Think of it like a holiday resort that wasn't like the brouchure depicted. Not all is glossy believe me, but you make it what you want. If you have doubts dont make the trip. If you want a challenge you'll get it.

The helicopter looks great. It has landed at my hospital a few times for training by the look of it.

Time to go pack bags for Chrissy in Dubai.

Look up the word insh'alla.... you'll here it heaps

Its sort of the Saudi way of saying "whateva" although means god willing

falcon-18

12-19-2009, 04:00 PM

Hello ,every body

I will back with some replay of post . I am busy a little but I will back with some american from ksa, I will try with him to joind to this fourm .

falcon-18

skysix

12-19-2009, 04:21 PM

They offered me total monthly salary of 17,500 SAR. (ground EMT-P)

Obviously what they offer depends on your experience - but it also seems that the offer is also based on where you come from (ie what the 90th percentile medic wage in the country you are trained in is)

schulz

12-20-2009, 08:29 PM

I have been speaking with the German Paramedic who worked the SRCA that we found on flickr. He has lots of good information, including names and numbers of taxi drivers that can be trusted ect. He said don't trust just any random taxi driver it can result in trouble.

He also brought some negative points up. He claims he had to sign a new contract IN ARABIC (no English)when you arrive there and it resulted in less pay than previously discussed for him.
He also said if your EMT partner speaks much English your lucky.

He also said to make sure get liability and health insurance.

ALSO he has pictures of his compound in Riyadh
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kschnacki/sets/72157605972507629/

and as discussed prior his SRCA photos can be found here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kschnacki/sets/72157605126874689/
WHich also include a video of him responding in the chase car.

Yurong

12-21-2009, 01:11 AM

Wow... Those are exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing the info!

WTEngel

12-21-2009, 01:14 AM

schulz

12-21-2009, 02:02 AM

I have read on the FAQ's at the emssaudirarabia.com website that there is a brand new compound that has been completed, and it is not open to the public, only SRCA personnel. There are no pics however. I think the German medic was living in old housing.

That could be, I guess you will be the first to find out and let us know! Even if his photos are old it still gives you an idea I think.

In terms of the other stuff, all good information to think about. I am still tracking down the last of my papers Nakity has requested before I can be made an offer. Hope it all works out

falcon-18

12-21-2009, 08:53 AM

Inaugurated by His Royal Highness Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz, ambulance service of the Red Crescent Authority

Saudi presence of His Royal Highness Prince Faisal bin Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, Chief of SRCA.

HH and heard a detailed explanation of this service and services to be provided for people with the speed of resuscitated

And shorten the time to get them to hospitals, with the consequent increase in the opportunity to save people's lives, God willing.

He saw the governor of Riyadh, is one of three aircraft will enter service in the Riyadh region, expressing

Thanks to His Highness Prince Faisal bin Abdullah bin Abdulaziz on the efforts undertaken in order to develop the SRCA.

http://www.gulfup.com/gfiles/12613297821.jpg
prince salman lsitent to DR/ omfaq albaiouk.

http://www.gulfup.com/gfiles/12613297822.jpg

http://www.gulfup.com/gfiles/12613297823.jpg

http://www.gulfup.com/gfiles/12613297824.jpg

prince faisal ( in the right of pic )withe prince salman (in the middle )and DR/ mofaq albaiouk (in the left of pic ).

http://www.aleqt.com//a/small/10/10ad663b8c40cd866617ee97bf01a279_w424_h200.jpg

http://www.aleqt.com/a/small/14/140bbf7f3c1e9216388f36c1db47ddf7_w424_h200.jpg

http://www.aleqt.com/a/small/59/590d9cfcdc17efcf6b5d16552dad8b81_w424_h200.jpg

http://www.aleqt.com/a/small/4f/4f3afd3e1a6ab26d570d232cdfda0084_w424_h200.jpg

http://www.aleqt.com/a/small/ea/eaec14a25c7af94a092044720cc84517_w424_h200.jpg

http://www.al-jazirah.com/119991/ln03.jpg

Sweety

12-21-2009, 11:16 AM

Wow great photos. Is the German guy still with the Red Crescent? Why did he leave with so much going on?

Have a great Chrissie and New Year guys

KSchnacki

12-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Hello folks,

this is the German Paramedic speaking. You want to know why I am back? One reason is that we made to much trouble. And that ends up in fireing one of us. The rumor was going on long. And at the end it was me. But I had no problem with that. The passport question was only one thing that went wrong. The vacation question is the other. You can take two times vacation. Not more. It is not the same then in our countrys take it if you want it. And travelling is only possible with multiple Entry-Exit Visa. Valid a half year and you have to pay it with 500SR. The other thing was the contract. Arabic is not my No. 1 language. But it is needed because it is Saudi Arabia!!! So be careful!! The pics of the new helicopter are nice. But there is no brain behind the money. And that is the biggest problem.

You can get in contact with Scott Sessions on Facebook. He is US and still down there with his family! Or ask Rhonda, his wife also on Facebook.

If you have any further questions please contact me.

Have a great Christmas time at home!! Down there is no Christmas allowed.

KSchnacki

12-21-2009, 01:16 PM

I have read on the FAQ's at the emssaudirarabia.com website that there is a brand new compound that has been completed, and it is not open to the public, only SRCA personnel. There are no pics however. I think the German medic was living in old housing.

The compounds are never open to public! In some are only living US or Australian etc. in others are living Pakistan, Iran, Irak etc. We have been in a small one with only 25 appartments. And yes it was a bit older. All compounds are owned by Saudis!! There is no business without them!!

WTEngel

12-21-2009, 03:28 PM

Thanks for the info KSchnaki, very good to know.

You and your family have a good Christmas also!

Cheers

schulz

12-21-2009, 03:29 PM

Falcon,
Sweet pics of the chopper!

KSchnacki,
Hey thanks for stopping by! As stated KSchnacki is the German Paramedic we found on flickr I got my pictures from and have been communicating with who worked for SRCA last year.

Sweety

12-21-2009, 03:29 PM

skysix

12-21-2009, 03:59 PM

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=129971&d=21&m=12&y=2009

WTEngel

12-21-2009, 05:48 PM

These are all good things. It looks like the operation on the ground over there is coming along great!

I received my work visa today by FedEx and I have sent my requested travel information to the SRCA, so we will see how long it takes them to purchase my tickets and send me a confirmation. Once I get travel confirmation, I will call it official!

How is everyone else doing in the process?

schulz

12-21-2009, 06:00 PM

I am having an issue getting one of my employers to get me a letter, other than that everything else is coming along. I hope to have everything hammered out soon and catch up to you guys in this process

helimedic39

12-21-2009, 09:10 PM

I am going through Action Aviation. I received an email from SRCA about the paperwork needed. It's my understanding that is if you go through them for employment. Anyone have an idea if I still need all the letters even though AA is not asking for it? I just sent for my passport so I'm hoping if all goes well, I will have an official offer and be out there by Feb 1st.

NJFLGHTMDC

12-22-2009, 12:54 AM

How do you keep in touch with back home, Is anyone renting a satellite phone? How does the cell service work?

schulz

12-22-2009, 02:06 AM

How do you keep in touch with back home, Is anyone renting a satellite phone? How does the cell service work?

Before my contract with CHS got held up in Kuwait I was instructed the other medics where using something called "Magic jack" http://www.magicjack.com/8/index.asp

I believe it lets you call home for free or a really low price using your computer as a phone almost anywhere in the world.

skysix

12-22-2009, 02:20 AM

I think that most use SKYPE and possibly a usb plug-in handset

akflightmedic

12-22-2009, 05:44 AM

Been using SKYPE for a couple years now myself.

For $12 a month I can call anyone in the USA or Canada (diff plans to choose from). I can call their computer or their phones. It also allows instant messaging and text messaging.

For $67 a year, I also bought a phone number with my local area code for my computer. Now anyone can call me from any phone without having to go online. If I am not signed into SKYPE, it goes to my voice mail. If I am signed in, my computer rings...

Sweety

12-22-2009, 09:10 AM

How do you keep in touch with back home, Is anyone renting a satellite phone? How does the cell service work?

Umm, Saudi arabia is a modern country. They have landlines, cellphones and internet at reasonable broadband speed. They even have satellite TV!

Cell service is pretty good in Riyadh and major cities. Most of us use prepaid cards that you can recharge just like in the US.

Are you guys being flown over business class? I heard some of the guys have in the past. Worth joining an airline rewards program too

Merry christmas guys

Armor10

12-22-2009, 01:13 PM

I just got my last notarized letter from my last employer. For some reason all my employers were willing to give me an employment verification letter, but when I mentioned that it had to be notarized. They were like "OH!", but I eventually got them, I also got my Paramedic scope letter notarized by my training officer. I haven't received my packet yet, but I did e-mail them and they did say my paperwork was being processed through the Ministry. So With the Holidays going on, I hope to have it in a few days. I have made an appointment with my DR, for after the new year, and I'm going to get finger printed after Christmas, so I can get my Background check going. Thats pretty much where I'm at. Good Luck everyone.

KSchnacki

12-22-2009, 03:09 PM

Your the German that got fired. I met two of the German guys at a compond but I don't think it was you. Great guys having fun maybe with a different attitude to yours.

Saudi arabia is not the easiest country to work in. You need the right mentality and attitude as things are done different to where we come from.

I hope you enjoyed your time here. Are you working in EMS again in Germany. Do they hire US female Paramedics? I would be interested in working in Germany. What part of Germany do you work in?

Are you the German that loaned money from the bank and left or is that someone else?

Thinks can be different. That is no problem. And we had a lot of informations before because one of the other guys was working in Kuwait and Irak before and also in Pakistan and Kosovo. But if they take your passport and dont want you to travel the show is over. We had to involve the embassy and that makes it not funny. Saudi Arabia looks modern at the top but it is a deep Islamic Country! Never forget about that! And they will drop you at the moment when you are not going the way they want it!!! Ask Rhonda if she is working as a paramedic. She is not as I know. Big troubles in a country where slavery is normal.

Good luck and a good time. And I took only the money that was for me!!!

Have a nice Christmas!

McLenin

12-22-2009, 07:56 PM

[QUOTE=KSchnacki;198772]But if they take your passport and dont want you to travel the show is over. We had to involve the embassy and that makes it not funny.

What kind of s^%$t is that ??? Nobody is taking my passport or my freedom to move away from me!

Saudi Arabia looks modern at the top but it is a deep Islamic Country! Never forget about that! Big troubles in a country where slavery is normal.

Hey people, lets talk honestly about life over there, lets get into the details. Please, i need to know what to expect, i hate to leave all i have here for something i might regret.;)

McLenin

12-22-2009, 08:21 PM

schulz

12-22-2009, 10:55 PM

1. I want to make sure that we will be treated equally, NO hating will take place at work because of our nationality. How exactly are we being treated over there as employees?
2. Tell me what our future employer dont want us to know?? As far as signing contract in arabic, taxes on my pay check, vacation time , and so on....
3. How far is work from our compound ? How will we get to work?(taxi?rent a car?)
4. People that live or used to live there, give me list of negative things u dont or didnt like( in work and during off time) be honest please. I am just preparing myself for this long trip.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS !:rolleyes:

I think this forum thread maybe our best bet for information. I am glad the German posted here with views that aren't always positive so we can all realize this may not be a trip down lolly pop lane.
I am still excited and want to get over there, but I am always expecting the unexpected and some surprises.
I think the German Paramedic, Jay from Action Avation, Omar the local at SRCA, and the female RN/EMT-P are all great resources for information and questions from all sides.

Mclenin does bring up some interesting points.
I would like to hear some responses from those who may know the answers to some of his above questions.

Sweety

12-23-2009, 12:21 AM

The passport problem is widespread. In hospitals it is handed in to the hospital passport office and returned when you apply for a visa to go on vacation or exit the country. It is not usually a problem. It is written in our contracts therefore we are aware of it.

Check with the Red crescent if this is required. The guys I know didn't have to and are able to obtain mutiple entry exit visas (valid for 6 months). If it is not in your contract do not worry.

Communication can be a problem here. Rules change and nobody informs anyone.

If Rhonda is not working as a Paramedic is it because she is a female? I am and I know I can't work the streets with the Red crescent. It's the way it is here, we can't change it. She should get a job at the hospital where females do respond to calls and do transfers.

Its an adventure and a challenge, worth it if you have the right attitude.

WTEngel

12-23-2009, 12:26 AM

Alrighty....a lot of action has been going on here lately!

So I received my e tickets from the SRCA today, I travel January 13th, arrive January 14th. I am not looking forward to a 15 hour airplane ride!

As for the contracts being completely in Arabic, one of the guys currently there says that used to be the case, but now they are split, side by side English and Arabic, similar to the documents many have received in the mail from SRCA. He said they have changed this because of the MANY complaints they received, so the process seems to be on the level and honest now.

I have seen some posts with concerns. I have been talking to a few people, some who have been over there in the past, and some who are over there currently. THe person I am spoke with who is over there currently is a paramedic supervisor with SRCA, and he is American. He has been there 18 months, and his wife works there also. He said when he arrived they basically re negotiated his relocation allowance and housing, because he cam with his spouse. Basically he was under the understanding that both he and his spouse would be getting relocation and housing allowances. The Saudi's did not do this, and only gave them one relocation and housing allowance. He did not say they adjusted his pay, only that small problem with the relocation and housing.

Now, he also said that he was over there for 8 weeks before he finally got his first paycheck. He said the paychecks have been on time and everything since, but 8 weeks is a long time. He also said that things seem to be getting better, and he does not think that would happen today, but there are no promises.

I am going to try and see if I can get him on here to post a few things. I know he has stayed with SRCA, even after all the initial problems, so we will see.

Now, as for the German folks. I will not pass judgement on the situation, as I was not there, but based on what other people have said about your possible behavior while in country, and also based on the fact that you basically admitted to taking out a loan and then leaving the country without intent to repay it, the situation must have been pretty bad, but I am not sure I would have dealt with it the same way... just my two cents...

Cheers!

KSchnacki

12-23-2009, 02:57 AM

[QUOTE=McLenin;198817]1. I want to make sure that we will be treated equally, NO hating will take place at work because of our nationality. How exactly are we being treated over there as employees?
2. Tell me what our future employer dont want us to know?? As far as signing contract in arabic, taxes on my pay check, vacation time , and so on....
3. How far is work from our compound ? How will we get to work?(taxi?rent a car?)
4. People that live or used to live there, give me list of negative things u dont or didnt like( in work and during off time) be honest please. I am just preparing myself for this long trip.

First of all! Everybody has to make his own decision. I only want to inform you as good as I can. Some things changed after we made trouble with the embassy and other things. But the Saudis dont like that! Because they are the one. You gonna see it.

1.) You are never equal to a Saudi. There is a stairway and they are on top. After that US, German, Canadian, Australien etc. at the end Bangladesh with about 250$ a month to live with.
2.) The change with the contract is right. I rember they changed it a short time before I left. But only because of our trouble we made! Rember the insurance question! If you dont get a insurance card you are not insured!!! And they will tell you if you do something wrong outside they will pay the bloodmoney of 100000SR. But how often?? Ask them about that.
3.) Normaly you get with Taxi to work. Or you have to rent a car. All costs are your own!
4.) I told you some things. And it is a far way of 500km to get a legal beer ;-)

Guys be careful! It is a experience no doubt about. But be careful with your passport. I hope it changed and you have no trouble anymore. Otherwise try to talk to Dr. Rasheed at the headquarter. He is ok. Any other Dr. from Syria or Egypt is not able to deside anything.

McLenin

12-23-2009, 08:34 AM

Rember the insurance question! If you dont get a insurance card you are not insured!!! And they will tell you if you do something wrong outside they will pay the bloodmoney of 100000SR. But how often?? Ask them about that.

I need more info on this topic, please.

Will we get payed overtime? Is it 40 hours a week?

I am having trouble understanding the travel issue. For example, in the middle of my stay over there, i will need to leave home for a week due to family emergency. Do I have to apply for a visa again?

NJmedic3250

12-23-2009, 08:42 AM

The week, I believe, is a 48 hour work week. I was told they offer 6,8,12 and 24 hour shifts. As of now there are opportunities for overtime at a rate of time and a half. They also may compensate extra time worked in a week by giving you days off.

McLenin

12-23-2009, 08:47 AM

They also may compensate extra time worked in a week by giving you days off[I]
is it optional? or they can enforce it ?

NJmedic3250

12-23-2009, 08:52 AM

Unsure. I asked if it was left up to the employee on which type of compensation is utilized (OT vs days off) and was told it was left up to administration.

medic#7201

12-23-2009, 10:48 AM

I am new to this forum, I just found it while searching for info on the SRCA. I was offered a job recently and was trying to gather as much info as I can. I have spoken to DR. Nakity and he answered a few questions.

1) Single people are housed in an apt. complex that is fully furnished w/ a pool and a gym.

2) Medics work in fly cars with a Saudi National EMT, 48 hrs a week(8, 12 or 24 hr shifts). Anything over 48 is OT

3) You get 30 days vacation which can be used at the end.

4) My wife & son will be staying stateside so their insurance is not covered.

Anything else anyone can share would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

KSchnacki

12-23-2009, 12:19 PM

You are working normaly 48 hours. The Overtime and per diem is normaly in your salary included. So you are not getting any more days off or more money. More money is sometimes possible in Ramadan, when you have to work more then 24 hours. But that depends. You have to ask at the HQ.

Vacation should be taken at the end of the year. But you have the chance to take some Emergency leave if something happend at home or else. 10 days I think was it.

Make clear you have a health insurance and ask how much the insurance covers! If you have none you have to go to a basic hospital like Prince Salman. And you dont like it! Trust me. King Faisal is great or King Fahd Medical City also. But you have to check if you can go there. It is also good to make a travel insurance at SABB or the other banks. It costs about 500SR a year and covers you when you are traveling. Also at home. Check for details.

If they put you to the compound, which is now ready as I heard, last year not when they hired us, you are not getting any housing allowance. And you have to pay taxi to work by yourselfe. For that you are getting 400SR extra. That was in our case so.

Go on the second day to your embassy and register yourself their and ask them for more advice. Follow these advice to stay safe and relaxed.

Dont wonder, everywhere the police guys are wearing big guns.

Dont talk to women in public which are not member of your family!!! The religion keeper dont like that. Espacially in Rihayd!!! Becareful!

Always use the Single-Section at Restaurants. The Family-Section is only for Females and Families!

Till prayer time take at the Kingdom-Tower a seat at the Single-Section. If you are standing around a guard will come and tell you to leave. Check it out. It is interesting.

Armor10

12-25-2009, 12:45 AM

Hey guy's, I got my packet today via FEDEX, my contract was both in English and Arabic. Just need to get my Physical and my prints done then I'll ship it off. Everyone have a Merry Christmas

WTEngel

12-26-2009, 10:48 PM

Hey guys, good news... I think one of the ground supervisors in KSA may be getting on here to give anyone who is interested some advice and all, so stay tuned. He has been very helpful to me...

helimedic39

12-27-2009, 10:36 PM

Hey WTE, are you gonna be on flight or ground? I understand you are going there soon. If you are flight, i'd really like to know how it's going. I am just waiting on my paperwork and plan on being out there early feb. If you could give me some info, that would be great. Also, did you go through SRCA or action aviation? Thanks

NJFLGHTMDC

12-27-2009, 10:44 PM

Can Expats carry handguns?

Sweety

12-27-2009, 11:24 PM

Can Expats carry handguns?

Why would you want a handgun? Do some research on Saudi Arabia and you may be surprised to see it is safe!!!!

It is dumbass Americans that ask these stupid questions that gives us all a bad reputation.

WTEngel

12-27-2009, 11:33 PM

I am going as a flight paramedic. All of my dealings have been through SRCA. I am definitely going to keep everyone posted once I arrive over there...

And in regards to carrying handguns... I know Saudi Arabia may not be the safest country in the world (car crashes, camel maulings, etc.) but I am fairly certain it is safer than New Jersey, NJFLGHTMDC...

NJFLGHTMDC

12-27-2009, 11:40 PM

Why would you want a handgun? Do some research on Saudi Arabia and you may be surprised to see it is safe!!!!

It is dumbass Americans that ask these stupid questions that gives us all a bad reputation.

I HAVE BEEN DOING MY RESEARCH ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA. THat is how I saw THAT THEY PASSED A LAW IN 2004, AND HOW IT DEALT WITH THE KIDNAPPINGS AND BEHEADINGS OF AMERICAN CONTRACTORS. here is just one link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52166-2004Jun18.html
Sounds safe to me, and my own personal safety means i come home alive! How does that make me a DUMBASS AMERICAN!?

WTEngel

12-27-2009, 11:44 PM

NJ, I made my comments with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I meant no offense, sorry. Others (you know who you are) on the forum should refrain from using personal attacks, it just plain isn't nice.

If you don't feel safe then you shouldn't go...

Sweety

12-27-2009, 11:47 PM

Hey guys

I recently caught up to share some Xmas cheer with one of the expats working for the Red crescent. Tell you he was interested in some of the comments on this thread. His advice was as follows

12 hour shifts 4 on 4 off rotation
overtime is an issue which the Manager (expat) works out with individual employee
look at contracts carefully
some of the facts & figures given by the German are outa date or inaccurate

Have a good new year guys

NJFLGHTMDC

12-27-2009, 11:57 PM

No offense taken, I am fully aware of the dangers of NJ.

Sweety

12-28-2009, 12:00 AM

There are many Americans over here that think they are entitled to do what they like (like carry handguns) because they are American.

I am American and proud of the fact I was born and raised in the States however a large percentage of Americans I have met in Saudi Arabia have a chip on their shoulder or somewhat of a superiority complex that make me want to look the other way.

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 12:00 AM

And I will have to say...being a Texan, the idea of leaving my personal armory at home does concern me a little bit... I mean I literally feel naked without my 6 shooters and bandolier....

NJFLGHTMDC

12-28-2009, 12:08 AM

I understand that if I am to go work there, that I am a visitor to the country.

McLenin

12-28-2009, 12:10 AM

I totally agree about having a hand gun. With all due respect WTE, in New Jersey you will not find yourself sitting in front of the camera with muslims around :ph34r:, holding a sign that says " i will die today cause i am American", crying , begging for forgiveness. And next thing you know, your separated head is being pissed on.
Sweety listen you smart and proud American with all the clever answers, do you know what is going to happen to you , God forbid, if you will get kidnapped? I can say this, you would wish for a quick death. But dont you worry, stupid American man like myself will do everything to defend our people.;)

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 12:19 AM

Ok, let's keep it civil. Everyone has their opinion, and this is a great place to share those opinions, respectfully of course...

Keeping safety in mind is paramount. The risks are obviously greater than if you are in your home country. It is also fair to say that there are MANY expats working in that country who have done so for many years and haven't had any run ins with hostility, and they seem to actually enjoy life there.

To each their own, there is no reason to fight about it here online.

helimedic39

12-28-2009, 12:28 AM

Just a suggestion, keeps comments like dumbass americans to yourself. We are all here for the same reason. Questions get asked and I don't think that's out of line to ask. If you do some more research, you'll see there has been an increase in attacks against helicopters and western compounds in the last attack in 2004. For some of us that have never done expat work, safety is a huge concern, so please respect that. Thanks

NJFLGHTMDC

12-28-2009, 01:01 AM

It was a bit of a W.T.F. moment reading Sweetys comments I was referred here by a recruiter from action aviation. He said it was a place to ask any questions. As one of "the 11" He recently referred too I may be there very soon. I have never left the country beside going to Canada and Mexico. So asking a question about something that is "entitled" to me as an American, as a right. I didn't know if it was even an option, what the penalties are, and of course I would go about it legaly. I was only asking casue I am trying to make an informed descision.
Ah oh well.

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 01:21 AM

Don't let one persons attack turn you off to the forum...

I hope that just by reading the posts so far you can see that we are all trying to be helpful and honest...even though some may be a little more abrasive than others...We all have bad days.

I am excited to go, and I am counting down the days until I deploy! I will most definitely keep everyone informed as I hit the ground over there...both good and bad.

As far as carrying a gun, I think the consulate website would be the best place to get an answer to that question, although I would be willing to bet it is not an option for expats (I don't think it is even an option for citizens...) I could be wrong...it has happened many times before.

Now, with all that being said...can't we all just get along? Many of us will be seeing each other in the very near future, and I can personally say I am excited to meet each and every one of you in person and look forward to working well and saving lives with you guys...

ameriki

12-28-2009, 01:23 AM

Hi guys!! I am new to this forum but I see lots of questions about life here in Saudi and more specifically working for the SRCA. I will do my best to give you honest, unbiased answers.

The stuff about handguns.....trust me I understand your concerns but that is really not necessary. Yes there have been attacks on westerners in the past and yes there is always the possibility that it could happen again but we need to get real. Take the appropriate precautions (same as you would in the US) and you are as safe here as you are on any street in America. Bad people are everywhere and bad things can happen anywhere. It is possible to legally purchase and carry guns here if you meet the requirements. I can put you in contact with someone who can advise you on this once you get here.

From my personal viewpoint living here is great. All of my frustrations have stemmed from work. You will have to weigh the pro's and con's for yourself and make your own decisions.

If anyone has any questions....please feel free to ask. I will do my best to answer them honestly.:P

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 01:25 AM

Ameriki, welcome! Glad to see you here buddy...If this is who I think it is, you experience and expertise will be welcome here!

If it isn't who I think it is...your experience and expertise are still welcome...

ameriki

12-28-2009, 01:33 AM

LOL....WTE, I am not who you think I am....I am his other half.:P

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 01:37 AM

Outstanding! Then your experience and expertise are even more welcome!

You two have been so helpful. It is great people like you that make international contracting the extended "family" that it should be!

I look forward to meeting you guys in a few weeks...hope you and the family had an awesome Christmas!

schulz

12-28-2009, 01:54 AM

Yeah I think the handgun thing was a fine question. There are no stupid questions everyone always says, right? In addition many of us in some states own and carry guns. I have had a concealed handgun licence for years. It is really not a big deal in many areas of the U.S.

Different strokes for different folks :-)

Update on my progress: I am still tracking down some transcripts I was missing and 1 more employee letter.

Also does anyone know if I can use a notarized copy of my DD214 from active duty in place of an employer letter?

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 02:00 AM

schulz

12-28-2009, 02:33 AM

I would refer that question to the SRCA Recruiting department...

I was really fortunate that I did not have that many employers (5 total)...I feel very bad for you guys who have to track down 10 years or more of previous employers...what a pain!

I was just going to give them the last 3 employers. Those are my only EMS ones I think are relevant. I think that should be fine?

WTE and my buddy Armor are really sailing through this process!

Lucky! I will do my best to catch up
I am buying a grey hound ticket to Canada dated in 2 weeks just so I can drive to the passport office in Seattle and show them I have travel in less than 14 days so I can get my passport the same day!

Sweety

12-28-2009, 02:49 AM

The stuff about handguns.....trust me I understand your concerns but that is really not necessary. Yes there have been attacks on westerners in the past and yes there is always the possibility that it could happen again but we need to get real. Take the appropriate precautions (same as you would in the US) and you are as safe here as you are on any street in America. Bad people are everywhere and bad things can happen anywhere.

Well said and welcome to the forum Ameriki. I think I got some of the boys hot under the collar;) this morning. I take it you are the female Flight Paramedic with the Red crescent? It would be great to meet up one day. I was told as a female I couldn't do real Paramedic work in Saudi so went back to nursing. I met an Australian or British gal that was with Red crescent on a HASH club walk that was here last year. Same frustrations I guess! Have a good new year. The Marines should have a good night, you should come!

schulz

12-28-2009, 03:03 AM

If anyone has any questions....please feel free to ask. I will do my best to answer them honestly.:P

Hey, I am sorry If I missed another post, but who are you? It looks like you are a U.S. flight medic for SRCA?

Regards,
- Mike

ameriki

12-28-2009, 03:17 AM

Shultz.....do not bother with your DD214 unless your primary job in the service was as a medic. They won't know what it is. Even if it was as a medic, your military time will not be recognized and it might even hurt you in the long run. Concentrate on civilian jobs in the pre-hospital field. These will be required as proof of your having worked the years in the field.

Sweety......yep.....that's me. I have been fortunate that I have been allowed to make a few VIP runs to treat female royalty and such. I have even taken part in transporting the medevac patients from Gaza last year and doing a simulated roadside response in the helicopter last month for the news. Although I do get frustrated that I can't perform as a paramedic would in other parts of the world, I have done things here that no other female has done. Small steps...that is what it will take.....one day we will be out there side by side with our male partners. Inshalla!!

Sweety

12-28-2009, 03:44 AM

Yes inshalla....the word that has so many meanings!!! Good on you sister for flying the flag. Do you see anything happening in the near future in regards to females? Is it on the cards so to speak?

Was that you at the National Guard. We watched the aircraft come in wondering what was happening.

Is there Saudi medics on the aircraft? There was a guy, looked Saudi in a blue flightsuit with the team a bit on the cute side ;). Was he a medic or is there doctors onboard?

ameriki

12-28-2009, 04:00 AM

OMG Sweety!!!!! If you saw a female in SRCA uniform getting off the helicopter...yes it was me......the Saudi in a blue flight suit acting as my partner is actually a pilot. I can hook you up if you are interested. As of right now.....we are not looking for any more females with the SRCA. If this changes I will let you know.

Sweety

12-28-2009, 04:14 AM

Wow that was you. We were a fair way off but couldn't miss the hunk!!! Is he single, married etc etc. Maybe PM ;)Is he flying for the Red crescent?

webmedics

12-28-2009, 07:13 PM

skysix

12-28-2009, 07:35 PM

As an expat working in the CONUS - which all I am sure would agree has areas that are not safe to go in, I cannot legally buy ANY firearm, let alone a handgun or get a CCW permit.

Same goes in Canada and other countries. Even Canadians can't get CCW permits in Canada - and there are areas in the GTO that area as bad as Jersey / East LA etc!

So if the KSA allows the same I would be surprised, pleasantly, and hope nobody messes it up for others!

schulz

12-28-2009, 11:06 PM

I emailed Jay regarding the matter. I would like to know also.

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 11:25 PM

I am sorry you didn't have a positive experience dealing with the SRCA. My recruitment process was fairly uneventful and very straighforward. I did not negotiate the salary, as I was offered an acceptable rate and benefits. The choice to continue down the SRCA pipeline vs. Action Aviation really isn't a choice for me, as I have already finished my recruitment process, been issued tickets for travel, and am set to go. I started my recruitment on September 1st, and had a job offer in about 10 weeks. A good majority of that time was spent by me acquiring the specific documents they required. As soon as I turned everything they required in, I got a response fairly quickly, and then moved to the next step. Was there a little redundancy? Yes, but it wasn't ridiculous in my opinion...typical red tape and HR stuff it seemed to me. I have heard other people on the forum alluding to the fact that Action might not require as many documents as the SRCA, thus making the recruitment process faster, but I don't personally know what the actual situation is.

I have been issued a 90 day visa. I applied for an employment visa, however I am not sure if that is what I actually received, since the duration is only 90 days, which if I am correct is the typical durartion of a business visa. This may also be the duration that an initial work visa is issued for, but I am not sure. Either way, I am sure once I hit the ground over there I will get instructions on what I need to do in order to stick around legally.

Back to the gun issue...I understand the concerns and all, however think about this... If you were to actually draw your weapon and shoot someone while in Saudi Arabia, I am not sure what your chances of getting a favorable disposition in court would be. If obtaining a weapon over there is legal, which I highly doubt it is, I just feel like it puts you at risk in a whole different way, which may be equally as bad. I wouldn't want to be locked up in a foreign country for murder, especially considering the embassy most likely will not come to your aid. Just my 2 cents...

schulz

12-28-2009, 11:49 PM

WTE I agree with your statement. I think it was a fair question to ask though. I am not sure what "scene safety" is over there. Contractors over there presently have stated we have no security during work hours and go to some very undesirable areas of town with only our driver. The only contractors who have been attacked in the recent years over there have been Americans.
It sounds like we will be some of the first Americans in any large numbers working for the SRCA. I have no idea until I get over there what it is really like, but being kidnapped and winding up on some youtube video or on algerzera is something to think about.

WTEngel

12-28-2009, 11:56 PM

Absolutely a fair question. There are no unfair questions here. Also, don't get me wrong that just because I personally would not take a gun even if it was legal, I would probably be the first person to scream like a girl and run behind one of you guys who did decide to bring a gun (if it is legal) if the poo hits the fan.

Just to clear the air, there was someone on here who had a pretty negative reaction to the gun question. It wasn't me, and I have no problem with the respectful discussion of that question by the people on this forum, just like I don't have a problem with the respectful discussion of ANY question on this forum.

I just don't want anyone to mistakenly think that I was the person who reacted very negatively to the gun question and responded disrespectfully...

Sweety

12-29-2009, 12:01 AM

I'm puzzled ....

I was told I'd be supervisor and make all kinds of money (offer went up 3 times) each time I asked a question. Never an answer, just a "do not worry" "trust me" and then the thought that more money would make me forget the question or concern.

Hi' yall

This is recruitment Saudi style! Happens in every industry they recruit foreigners. If they have increased the offer 3 times and are making promises like being a supervisor they must be desperate to recruit new employees.

When working with a Saudi sponsor visas will initially be 90 days entry so you have time to apply for a residency permit. This also means they can boot you out if they dont like you in this time. This is standard practice here.

Without residency permit you cannot do anything like open bank accounts, travel so bring some money to last least 6 weeks.

schulz

12-29-2009, 12:01 AM

Oh I know. It was one of the people working over there currently.
Some people don't like guns, fine by me. Some people do, which is also fine by me.
on a side note: I am still in this middle of this recruitment paper work terror. I went to 5 different community colleges so transcript gathering is fun, along with employers. I think I am only going to provide letters for the last 2, those are the only ones that really apply to the position. Someone who works over there said its best to leave my military service out of it unless asked. So I think Ill do that also.

WTEngel

12-29-2009, 12:07 AM

Sweety:

The residency permit is the same as iqama, correct? Also, once this is issued, do you basically just apply for the 6 month multiple entry/exit visa, and then re apply once it expires, and continue this process until you and your emplyer decide to part ways?

This is issued after your medical exam and emloyment processing on arrival right? No bank accounts or anything before this is issued? Wow, that could make life kind of tight...how long does it typically take to get the iqama after arrival?

Sweety

12-29-2009, 12:14 AM

Yes WTE that is correct the residency permit is called the iqama. We were lucky as we do the medical inhouse at the hospital I work at. The Red crescent will arrange for you to do it at one of the government facilities. Once this is issued you can do anything like open a bank account, obtain travel visa etc. Iqama can take from a week to three.

WTEngel

12-29-2009, 12:19 AM

Great, that's good to know! I was told by the recruiter that I would be paid my relocation bonus once my medical cleared, which I guess makes sense, since I can't use the money anyway until I have a bank account...

webmedics

12-29-2009, 02:03 AM

Why wouldn't you get your relocation reimbursement after you relocated? What's a medical / physical got to do with travel?

If you can't get open any bank accounts without the residency, and you can't get residency without a job, and you can't start the job until you complete a physical.....

Has anyone ever considered getting the physical done BEFORE leaving the CONUS? That's what the SRCA REQUIRED I do, and they had no intention of reimbursing me for this physical. Do you have any idea what that list costs to comply with? Try $1,300 after meeting my deductible with Blue Cross discount, and that didn't include the chest X-ray.

Yet another concern.

Time to open some eyes and share some information.

WTEngel

12-29-2009, 02:43 AM

Opening some eyes sounds like a great idea webmedics...you should start with your own.

You will get a complete physical after you arrive in KSA. This is in addition to the one you had to obtain in order to apply for your work visa. I am sorry it cost you so much to get your physical, but not anyone's fault here or at the SRCA that you have crappy insurance. My physical cost me my $25.00 office co pay, and I haven't seen another bill since. They sent us both the same physical form, so I can only say again, sorry you have crummy insurance. You are asking them for a job, not the other way around...

I am sure the reason you will not get a residency permit before you get the results of your "IN COUNTRY" physical has to do with the fact that they do not want anyone getting the benefit of the national healthcare prior to determining if they have any major underlying health issues. This leads one to reason that they would not pay a relocation bonus until it is officially determined that you will actually relocate. The physical you obtained in your home country is just the box they need checked in order to get the work visa. The physical performed by their own physicians is basically just to confirm that your physician either did not miss something, or intentionally mislead them on the physical form.

This all makes very good sense to me. I have done more than a little research on the recruitment and relocation process, and this is probably why I have not been surprised by anything and my recruitment and deployment process has gone so smoothly. You would be well served to do some more research for yourself, instead of taking 10% of what someone says and running with it as if the SRCA is out to screw you any way they can.

webmedics

12-29-2009, 02:53 AM

You might want to consider picking fights or making comments like that in a private forum. The PM is a great application for that.

You can stop with the personal attacks and remarks any time. You did this once before in a long two page letter to me.

That attitude might work well in the Military or the Fire Service, but it can get people killed if they aren't experienced or educated enough to take care of themselves in a critical thinking environment. Sharing information and eye opening is a responsible thing for anyone to do. This very active thread is a perfect example.

F.W.I.W., I did NOT receive ANY form from ANYONE. I was directed to a list, based on a website (Saudi Embassy), after a call from a travel agent in Washington DC. Not exactly the form you might have received in a package from the SRCA. I have Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, not your run of the mill crappy or crummy Insurance company. I just have covered and not covered procedures. Perhaps the list I was told to go over for my physical was different than yours, and hence the reason we needed to share this information.

It is this inconstancy that leads me to be concerned and smart enough to ask questions.

WTEngel

12-29-2009, 03:11 AM

Well, again, sorry to hear that things aren't going smoothly with your process.

You seem to have a bit of a confrontational attitude yourself, considering every time you chime in to the thread, you constantly tell everyone how we need to open our eyes, and caution us about our lack of information and failure to see the warning signs.

I can assure you I possess the critical thinking skills and quick wit needed to keep myself out of trouble. Again, this is why I think my process is going so smoothly...too bad you can;t say the same for your own.

I wish you the best of luck finishing your recruitment process. Hopefully you will get the answers you are looking for here, even though they may not be the answers you are wanting to hear.

schulz

12-29-2009, 03:23 AM

Hey guys save it for the HALO battle arena once we are over there :-P

PS: I am really more of a battlefield guy myself.

webmedics

12-29-2009, 03:27 AM

Bring it!

I've got the perfect Battlefield 2 edition mouse and keyboard overlay, well it's more of a mutli-keyed hand pad. It's the SpeedPad N52 from Nostromo. Perhaps we could train up a squad and use it as new crew member orientation LOL!!!!

I look forward to meeting you (Schulz) in the sandpit!

NJFLGHTMDC

12-29-2009, 03:40 AM

I just don't want to go there with the idea that it's Summer camp. lol It seems that there is somewhat of a learning curve, and I look forward to being on the rise of this project.

WTEngel

12-29-2009, 03:55 AM

+ 1 NJ

However, I am sure I could find some spare time to shoot my co workers...All work and no play makes jack a dull boy you know...

Sweety

12-29-2009, 03:57 AM

Boys boys boys ....

The real sandpit is across the border if you want to play with your guns and toys. The Red crescent is a civillian EMS provider not a military service or contractor. You all sound like you are getting ready to come to the Middle East and fight some war. Oh sorry HALO is one of those games...didn't realise, luckily my housemate has a young brother.

If frustrations are running this high just with recruitment what will it be like without your wives or girlfriends when you get here ;)

Medicals are repeated when you arrive as another way of terminating people who do not meet certain standards. The visa medical is to stop anyone entering that may have a disease such as HIV (god forbid). There are trust issues here hence all the repeated admin and medicals etc.

Ask questions guys whether about the employer who will sponsor you, lifestyle, system and culture. Saudi Arabia is not a holiday destination and is not like the movie The Kingdom.

If the running around gets to you now get used to it as there is more to come when you get here. It is a big move especially if you have not travelled much outside the States. It is worth it if you want it to be.

NJmedic3250

12-29-2009, 08:57 AM

Haha first off I haven't been on here for about a week, and I have to say, being at each other's throats even before we have a chance to live/ work together poses more of a concern to me than living in Riyadh does. lol. Im roughly half way done with the packet (hunting down those employment letters) and pretty stoked to get over there.

It sounds like we have some eyes over there already. Any chance we could get some updated compound pictures on the forum?

NJmedic3250

12-29-2009, 09:01 AM

PS

Lets lay off Jersey on how much worse it is... Its not THAT bad haha

JayPal

12-29-2009, 09:49 AM

I'm puzzled ....

Some of you still seem to be in the SRCA pipeline, others are being recruited by Action Aviation.

What's the difference? I'd been given the impression that Action had taken over that responsibility, and most of us had our resume's placed in a new pile and handed off.

Those of you doing SRCA (WTEngel, Armor and others) Are you going as SRCA employee's on a work Visa? I thought those were taking up to 6 months to get, that it was an individual contract, and even the pay varies from person to person. I was told I'd be supervisor and make all kinds of money (offer went up 3 times) each time I asked a question. Never an answer, just a "do not worry" "trust me" and then the thought that more money would make me forget the question or concern.

Jay (Action Aviation) has been nothing but forthcoming and realistic. Plenty of open communication, and reasonable requests and expectations.

Why would the rest of you continue on the SRCA path? Am I missing some thing here? Please enlighten me.

Action Aviation has been asked to bring in medics on a six month contract to establish the HEMS service for the SRCA while they finish there recruiting process. We are able to bring people in on a business visa which only takes about 2 weeks to process and does not require any paperwork, medicals, or first born. At the end of the six months i see the options to extend with Action or transfer to the SRCA for fulltime employment.

The benefit of being with SRCA is that you are fulltime and will be issued a residence permit to do the things like open bank accounts, buy cars. With Action we are unable to do those things and most of our employees are rotational. There are only two of us at this point that will be fulltime and this is because we were already expats living next door in Qatar.

I am open for any questions. To clear some other items up, Action Aviation is the company who operates the HEMS service for the SRCA. We are tasked with this until at such point the SRCA is able to take over. We provide training, orientation, and oversight at the present with most of that being turned over to SRCA once they have the people. Action Aviation is the contractor and SRCA is the customer (per the MD himself).

Guys, we are one team when we get here, and that is how I operate. It is going to take all of us to get this service up. Trust me!!

Armor10

12-29-2009, 11:03 AM

Wow, my whole process has been going very smoothly. I made my appointment for my physical on Jan 4th. I have no Medical Insurance and had to pay $200.00 upfront. I'm seeing a PA to get it done and after looking at the three medical forms, from the SRCA I brought in. They thought that the total cost would be Approx $800.00. I worked out a payment plan with them and so the process continues. At this point, I'm going to get finger printed and send it off. After I get that back, I'll send off my paperwork.

I'm dealing directly with SRCA they have been very nice, and straight forward. My job offer was acceptable when I received it (pay, benefits,etc.) I think living and working in a foreign country, getting to meet new people. Is going to be a great adventure. Lot's of my Medic friends wish that they could do something like this.

NJFLGHTMDC

12-30-2009, 12:17 AM

If you were to be injured, which hospital would you go to. What are the pittfalls of medical inpatient care there. If you require blood who is it coming from, are they as strict as the red cross. Has anyone ever looked into the company global rescue if you needed to be flown home?

ameriki

12-30-2009, 01:21 AM

Hi Guys!!

As a government employee we are covered at the government hospitals for medical care. This includes our dependants also. There are also private hospitals that you can choose to use. If you choose private....it is pay as you go....literally. We had to pay up front before they would do anything to me. The SRCA did pay me back the money when I presented them with the receipts. If you are anything like me you are use to tending to your own issues as much as possible before you seek proffessional help......same system here. The expats stick together and take care of each other as much as possible.....if more care is needed.....we go to the DR. You can buy almost every med you can think of over the counter here. Except narcs of course. Most of the hospitals here operate under western standards of some description.....so don't worry about the blood issue. If something happens to you and you need to be transported home......it is my understanding that the SRCA will take care of it. That does not mean that they will fly you back to the US to have something minor done....if you die....they will send your body back. This is a developed country that can take care of all medical problems. Granted it may not be to our standard but you must look at it logically.

schulz

12-30-2009, 10:31 PM

Question,
For those of you who have applied and took your medic somewhere other than a community college I.E. training center or internal fire department how did you provide "transcripts"?

WTEngel

12-31-2009, 02:00 AM

I went through a hospital based program and they were able to print me a transcript. It was really simple, had my overall testing average, final exam score, and then a breakdown of clinical hours and totals. One page, simple, to the point, and it worked. It was on official letterhead and had the school's seal on it. The consulate accepted it with no problems. I believe this is one reason they want the official letter from the registrar, in order to verify that the school you are submitting a transcript from actually exists.

rhousewa

12-31-2009, 01:47 PM

I too was in a hospital based program and did basically the same as WTE. My school is now a Jr College based program and they have an official transcript form that they copied the old microfiche to and it is signed by the program director. I then drafted a notarized letter explaining all this and included all the contact info for the program director. Gaby at Rendezvous Travel said this would suffice and that a lot of people are in this same boat. Get in touch with Gaby and she can help you out. Jeff

muzlblast

01-01-2010, 11:21 AM

I would refer that question to the SRCA Recruiting department...

I was really fortunate that I did not have that many employers (5 total)...I feel very bad for you guys who have to track down 10 years or more of previous employers...what a pain!

WT,

I'm going through that now. I am waiting for the last couple of documents to come andd hopefully sending off my packet sometime next week. Please be sure to give me a call when you get there and stay in touch. It's looking like I am going to be getting there sooner than I thought. Happy New Year and take care!

Yurong

01-03-2010, 05:35 AM

Has anyone read "Paramedic to the Prince" yet? Its sort of an autobiography about an american paramedic (Patrick Notestine) who was in KSA for several years up to 2003. It seems to give a decent insight into what to expect from not only the healthcare system (granted I'm sure it has come a long way since then) but also living as an expatriate there.

Anyway, my process is moving along. I've had good dialog with an SRCA recruiter and have sent off for my transcripts. I've been a medic now for about four years, and an EMT for about 4 years before that, but am waiting to push everything through until I finish my B.S. degree in paramedicine this spring.

WTEngel

01-03-2010, 05:23 PM

Hey guys...Just FYI I have started a blog so I can keep up with everyone once I arrive in KSA. That might be a good place to follow me. I have also posted a comprehensive description of my recruitment process for anyone that may have questions or want to know more...although most of the questions have already been asked and answered here...

Blog is at: http://travisinsaudi.blogspot.com

Sweety

01-03-2010, 07:21 PM

Nice blog WTE!!! Wow your only 25, How long have you been a Flight Medic, if you don't mind me asking? Reason being a friends brother who is interested in coming over is only 23 or 24 and is a little sceptical about his experience.

Enjoy the flight to Saudi Arabia. Are you travelling business class?

Sweety

01-03-2010, 07:31 PM

Are you guys being recruited on single or family status? Several guys I know from back home are keen to apply however their families are not able to travel for some time. Are they allowing employees families to visit on a vacation basis or will the Red crescent only pay if they relocate? In the hospitals here we are recruited as either single or family status (mostly single) which means families pay their own expenses if they want to visit.

Danbo

01-03-2010, 08:40 PM

Great blog Travis, and it is very similar to my recruitment experience which started 8 July 09.
Dan

Armor10

01-03-2010, 09:30 PM

Hey guys, checkout this web site I found about the cost of living in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

http://www.tefl.com/home/col_survey.html?ci_id=61&tefl_session=9fad1961fc581111f947e98b26b81f3d&x=1&y=1

Things are pretty cheap there. I was worried, because in Kuwait a bottle of Coca Cola is $4.00 US. I wonder if they have Coke in a bottle? Nothing tastes better in the heat of the summer then Ice cold, Coke in a glass bottle.

It was my understanding that you are given three round trip tickets per year. So family and friends can visit. And one round trip ticket per year home for yourself. Is this not correct?

WTEngel

01-04-2010, 01:40 AM

Thanks for the compliments, it is a work in progress...so I am hoping to be able to add much more after I arrive over there of course.

Sweety, I have been certified as a paramedic for 6 years now, and I have one year of flight experience and critical care transport. The other 5 years was spent with a busy metropolitan Fire / EMS system and I also worked about a year and a half in an emergency room.

Has anyone else been asked to submit their high school diploma with their documents? I was just sent a reminder e mail by SRCA HR to bring all of my documents, including my high school diploma, and it needed to be stamped by the Saudi consulate in D.C.

This is kind of a curve ball, since I was not asked to submit it with the rest of my visa paper work, which has already been returned from the consulate, and I am also on a short time table, as my plane is scheduled to leave in 9 days. I was wondering if everyone else was being asked to submit this also, and if not, be aware they may ask you.

As for me, I am not sure what I am going to do, as I no longer have my diploma. It was lost a few years ago. I do have official high school transcripts, but they are not stamped by the consulate, and I do not know if I will be able to get them certified in time....Anyway, I wrote SRCA HR today and asked them to advise me on the situation...

Danbo

01-04-2010, 12:57 PM

Travis,
I just got the HS news too. I graduated HS in 1966 in a school that has since been torn down. I am in the process of trying to get the transcripts, but who know how long that will take. I have already had my college degree certified by the consulate so it seems kind of redundant, but they are probably just not aware of how our secondary school system works. Anyway, I appreciate your blog and keeping us informed.
dan

WTEngel

01-04-2010, 01:18 PM

My high school says 2-3 weeks for a replacement diploma. This is very frustrating, because had I known this earlier, I obviously would have ordered this long ago and been done with this and not having to accomplish this task 9 days before I depart.

I don't think this is SRCA's fault though. I think they were blind sided by the department of health over there who all of a sudden are requiring all of these documents for some reason...anyway, we will see what happens. I am intending to travel as scheduled, and tell them my diploma is a week or two behind me, and then present them with a transcript. I mean I already have my work visa, so we'll just play it by ear...

50/50 blame... 50% me for not keeping up with my diploma, 50% them for telling me a week before I go that I need a diploma! Insha'Alla.....

Cheers

Danbo

01-04-2010, 02:12 PM

Travis,
Your plan sounds good. Fortunately I have a couple of extra weeks than you so I think I can get the transcripts, still doesn't look good for the diploma though. I also have my work visa, so I think I'll follow your plan if I need to and it works out for you. Again, thanks for being a rich resource.

alelkins

01-04-2010, 02:24 PM

Hey Gang...does anyone know if the Certificates of Employment are needed for the entire work history or just the Paramedic pertinent history? Do I need to include EMT Basic level experiences? How does one document a period of self employment or employment with companies that no longer exist? How concurrent employers, for example, working part-time for another ambulance company, or is SRCA just looking for the consecutive timeline?

How about families? Has anyone brought theirs or are in the process? Do they accompany the employee initially or is there a waiting period of some sort?

Sorry for all the questions, and they may have been addressed in previous posts but I did not see them. :unsure:

Thanks!!!

Al

Sweety

01-04-2010, 02:56 PM

Has anyone asked why they require a High School Diploma? Surely being a graduate of any discipline would be held as a higher award to a high scoool diploma. What if you didn't finish high school and went to college as a mature age student?

If it is for registration with the Saudi Health Commission they may have changed the rules. We didn't need a High School Diploma when we registered last year.

Saudi logic guys....get used to it!!!!:rolleyes:

WTEngel

01-04-2010, 05:12 PM

From what I understand, the high school diploma is a Saudi Health Ministry requirment, not an SRCA requirment, which is why we are finding out about it so late in the process. So I am not really frustrated with the SRCA, it is just another hoop to jump through...Just when I thought the only hoop left for me to jump through was getting through airport security!

As far as documenting employment, you will have to ask the SRCA HR department, if that is who you are getting recruited by. If you are going through Action Aviation, I suppose you would have to ask their recruitment rep. Almost all of my employment experience overlapped, as in I was nearly always working 2 jobs at a time. I just basically documented work experience for the entire duration I have been certified as a paramedic. I did not document any of my EMT-B experience, and I did not have any periods of unemployment or self employment, so I can't help you with any advice on those issues.

As I understand it, your pay is calculated based on years that you have actually worked in whatever discipline you are being employed in. 6 years working as a paramedic, you get paid as a 6 year medic. 10 years as an EMT B and 6 years as a medic, I think you still get paid as a 6 year medic. That being said, the most important employment documentation is letters from where you were employed as a medic, as those are directly related to how much you get paid. If you are unable to prove you have 6 years experience as a medic when you arrive, I have a feeling they might re negotiate your contract and pay you for what you can prove...

Keep in mind these are all educated guesses on my part, and I am making these assumptions based on my experience with the SRCA recruitment department. Individual results may vary...

Also, I posted pics on my blog of the current aircraft I am flying in, if anyone is interested...

NJFLGHTMDC

01-04-2010, 11:56 PM

I look forward to meeting all when I get there

alphatrauma

01-05-2010, 12:35 AM

schulz

01-05-2010, 05:30 AM

I'm currently riding the fence on this one. Ill wait for the first wave to get there, then see how the ACTUAL experiences pan out. Two major concerns that I haven't seen/heard any definitive answers on:

1. passports being "held" by the employer/government
2. not being paid for x amount of weeks after starting work

I don't think that either of the above are acceptable under any circumstances. I'm not handing my passport over to anyone, nor will I be working indefinitely waiting for backpay.

Hey Alpha,

Your concerns are valid. All I can say is everyone who has handed there passport over for a work visa got it mailed back.

However, once you get over there rumor is they may hold your passport(am I right everyone)

Also I think it takes up to 6 weeks before you get paid, including your bonus?

If your only working 1 day a week like me and have nothing to lose, go for it! If not maybe wait to hear back from us once we are over there haha

WTEngel

01-05-2010, 05:41 AM

As for sending the passport in to the embassy to get your visa, that is pretty standard and a very common occurrence for many countries.

As for giving up your passport when you arrive in Saudi, I have heard that many employers in Saudi require you to relinquish your passport when you arrive, after you receive your iqama.

I have also heard that there are people working for the SRCA who requested not to relinquish their passport and were allowed to keep it.

I personally am going to say that I would prefer not giving up my passport, and would like to keep it in my possession. If they make an issue of it, then I will give it to them, which is the case with most employers there anyway.

Just FYI, even with your passport in your hand, you can not leave Saudi without an exit visa. In order to get an exit visa, you have to get authorization from your employer. This is typically not an issue from what I understand. So with that in mind, whether you have your passport in your hand or not, and you can not obtain an exit visa for whatever reason, you would have to escalate the matter to your embassy regardless...It isn't like just having your passport in your hand means you can leave at any time you like...they still have to give you a "hall pass" so to speak...

Someone, maybe Sweety or Ameriki correct me if I am wrong please, but this is my understanding.

EagleMedic

01-05-2010, 03:57 PM

Hey ya'll: I'm new to the forum; just got my job offer by SRCA as a flight medic, it will be great to have heads up on everything with the guys either on their way or already working in the field. Please keep us posted.

The reason why I'm asking is because I'm willing to bring my family along, but want to make sure it is 100% safe and able to make a decent living for them while deployed.

Regards & Be safe.

alphatrauma

01-05-2010, 06:10 PM

... The reason why I'm asking is because I'm willing to bring my family along, but want to make sure it is 100% safe and able to make a decent living for them while deployed.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1012.html

I dare say that anything is 100%... but the State Dept site is a pretty good read.

Sweety

01-05-2010, 11:54 PM

It is as safe as any place on the planet, even with Yemen next door.

Seaglass

01-06-2010, 12:09 AM

I personally am going to say that I would prefer not giving up my passport, and would like to keep it in my possession. If they make an issue of it, then I will give it to them, which is the case with most employers there anyway.

Requiring the passport for inspection before issuing a visa is normal for some countries; I wouldn't worry. Retaining a foreign employee's passport is fairly common. For that matter, some hotels abroad will also demand it when you check in. See if they'll accept a good photocopy instead. Don't know about Saudi Arabia, but it's probably worth trying.

No matter what, always keep at least a clearly legible photocopy and your American driver's license in your possession. If they won't give the passport back, it'll make things a lot easier if you need to approach the American embassy.

alphatrauma

01-06-2010, 01:04 AM

It is as safe as any place on the planet, even with Yemen next door.

Surely you jest

Granted, I've never worked or lived there... but if a company rep made this statement to me, I would run the other way and never look back.

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Surrendering my passport is just not an option for me. I understand that "this is SOP/how it's done", but there are waaaaay too many nuances in the legal structure there that I cannot even begin to fathom.

If this were a 1st World country, I'd consider letting them hold my passport while working in country... the Middle East? Hell no. All I need in my life is to inadvertently violate some obscure law, and end up detained. Trust me, the State Department isn't going to give 2 flying ****s about Paramedic so and so who got caught up in Riyadh on some BS. A year is a long time to be living by someone else's leave... plenty of time for something to go wrong. I'm a worse case scenario kind of guy, and the money/experience is not worth the risk for me.

To each his/her own... have fun guys and take plenty of pics :P

webmedics

01-06-2010, 10:27 PM

Residents in Saudi Arabia who are departing the country must obtain an exit permit prior to leaving and an exit/reentry permit if they intend to return to Saudi Arabia. The Saudi sponsor's approval is required for exit permits. The written Arabic text of a contract governs employment and business arrangements under Saudi law. Before signing a contract, American companies should obtain an independent translation to ensure a full understanding of the contract's terms, limits, and agreements. No American should come to work in Saudi Arabia or make a business arrangement without having read and understood the full written contract. Verbal assurances or side letters are not binding under Saudi law. In the event of any contract dispute, the Saudi authorities refer to the contract. Since the Saudi sponsor holds the employee's passport and controls the issuance of exit permits, Americans cannot simply leave Saudi Arabia in the event of a labor or business dispute.

American citizens involved in labor disputes or employment dismissal will not be granted an exit permit prior to court resolution or abandonment of the case by the American citizen. Saudi sponsors have substantial leverage in the negotiations and may block departure

The U.S. Mission in Saudi Arabia has received several reports of Americans fined for inadvertently overstaying their permitted time in the Kingdom.

the security climate in Saudi Arabia, particularly in the Eastern Province and Riyadh, it is important to note that there remains an ongoing security threat due to the continued presence of terrorist groups, some affiliated with al Qaida, who may target Western interests, housing compounds, hotels, shopping areas and other facilities where Westerners congregate.

American citizens who choose to visit Saudi Arabia are strongly urged to avoid staying in hotels or housing compounds that do not apply stringent security measures, and also are advised to be aware of their surroundings when visiting commercial establishments frequented by Westerners. American citizens also are advised to keep a low profile, vary times and routes of travel, exercise caution while driving, entering or exiting vehicles

The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh cautions American citizens that Saudi Arabian police authorities have detained potential witnesses to crimes without charges or access to legal counsel, and with limited or delayed consular access, during the investigative stage of criminal cases, which can take months. On occasion, Saudi authorities have temporarily confiscated the personal effects of detained potential witnesses. Even when released from detention, witnesses to criminal incidents may be prohibited from leaving the country until investigation of the incident is complete.Suspects may be detained without charges or legal counsel, and with limited consular access, for months during the investigative stage of criminal cases.

In the event of a traffic accident resulting in personal injury, all persons involved (if not in the hospital) may be taken to the local police station. Drivers are likely to be held for several days until responsibility is determined and any reparations paid. In many cases, all drivers involved in the accident are held in custody regardless of fault.

muzlblast

01-07-2010, 07:55 AM

Armor10

01-07-2010, 10:13 AM

According to the FBI, if you want your criminal back ground check. Or a letter stating that you that do not have one. You need to get fingerprinted at your local law enforcement agency, and send it off to them. I sent that off a week ago now. WTEngle was just able to get his Visa with a Dept of Public Safety, Standards and Training (DPSST) Check. In Oregon, The Oregon State Police handle that, and require that you send in a fingerprint card also, for your background. The State Police check usually takes 7 business days, and after I get that back from them, I'm going to send off my visa application. If the consulate comes back and says that they want the FBI check then I'll still be ok because I have already sent it off. Because the FBI check takes 8-10 weeks to get back. So other then that, I have everything and should be sending off my paperwork next week sometime. I to look forward to meeting everyone. This is going to be a lot off fun. I sure hope they put us through a local custom's class. I have been talking to a Flight Medic who is now a PA. He spent 18 months in Saudi, and I have been trying to do as much research as I can. I think the hardest thing for me will be keeping both my feet on the ground. I always cross my legs. Or put my feet up on something, he said also that you will learn to eat with only your right hand. The Saudi's don't use Silverware, so you'll learn to roll rice balls using only one hand ETC. He said it's tricky but you'll get it.